Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
he says in the bible that hes omnipotent 🙂
And who wrote the bible? The answer is man. Therefore, man says that god is omnipotent. But all that aside: Look at the world around you, and tell me that this imperfect world was made by an omnipotent god. In the bible, god even regrets making man. An omnipotent god would never have a reason to regret.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
And who wrote the bible? The answer is man. Therefore, man says that god is omnipotent. But all that aside: Look at the world around you, and tell me that this imperfect world was made by an omnipotent god. In the bible, god even regrets making man. An omnipotent god would never have a reason to regret.
Omnipotent being can do anything and everything
so.
1. he can make an imperfect world on purpose (why make a perfect universe?) flaws is what makes thing interesting.
how would you like it if every person on the planet was the same? thats like this movie i saw where everyone was dull with no emotions..
2. he made man imperfect on purpose already knowing he would regret it because he knows everything. existence itself could of been something he made just to make it, like when some one is bored they draw or doodle.
3.also if everything was perfect what purpose would god have now?
so he made things flawed so we can look up to him.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Okay.Omnipotent being can do anything and everything
so.1. he can make an imperfect world on purpose (why make a perfect universe?) flaws is what makes thing interesting.
how would you like it if every person on the planet was the same? thats like this movie i saw where everyone was dull with no emotions..
2. he made man imperfect on purpose already knowing he would regret it because he knows everything. existence itself could of been something he made just to make it, like when some one is bored they draw or doodle.3.also if everything was perfect what purpose would god have now?
so he made things flawed so we can look up to him.
However, if 1 or 2 was true, then that would mean that god is evil. You pick; not omnipotent, or evil?
Originally posted by Colossus-Big CHe didnt make man imperfect on purpose.
Okay.Omnipotent being can do anything and everything
so.1. he can make an imperfect world on purpose (why make a perfect universe?) flaws is what makes thing interesting.
how would you like it if every person on the planet was the same? thats like this movie i saw where everyone was dull with no emotions..
2. he made man imperfect on purpose already knowing he would regret it because he knows everything. existence itself could of been something he made just to make it, like when some one is bored they draw or doodle.3.also if everything was perfect what purpose would god have now?
so he made things flawed so we can look up to him.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Okay.Omnipotent being can do anything and everything
so.1. he can make an imperfect world on purpose (why make a perfect universe?) flaws is what makes thing interesting.
how would you like it if every person on the planet was the same? thats like this movie i saw where everyone was dull with no emotions..
2. he made man imperfect on purpose already knowing he would regret it because he knows everything. existence itself could of been something he made just to make it, like when some one is bored they draw or doodle.3.also if everything was perfect what purpose would god have now?
so he made things flawed so we can look up to him.
Originally posted by Digi
I'm not quite sure how to continue to respond to you Deadline. But I'll give it a shot I suppose.
Thats because you're assuming I don't know what im talking about and seem to be making assumptions about what im trying to say.
Originally posted by Digi
Happily conceded. But let's return to the idea that we understand the processes that led to the creation of the planet and nature. We do. Do we know everything about the universe? Of course not. But apply Occam's Razor; Is it more likely that there is a causal explanation exists to explain the universe, or that there's ethereal gods/creatures/etc. interacting with it?
To quite honest with you I think this post indicates that you don't understand the point im making.
What makes you think that because I think gods exist that they created the universe, you seem to be assuming that. Are human beings ethereal or and supernatural? So why does a god have to be supernatural or ethereal?
Originally posted by Digi
With no evidence of ANY god, gods, supernatural forces, etc. to assume that they exist is silly.
No evidence? What you mean like human beings? Which is why unicorns and ghosts have no place in this discussion. Can you give me an example of a ghost or a unicorn? Nope, but I can give you examples of gods.
What you don't seem to be comprehending is that the reason why its plausible for gods to exist is because there are examples of gods in existence now. The conclusion is come from observing nature not from reading the Bible or some vision. facepalm
Im pretty sure the existence of other universes and dimensions is a plausible scientific theory. The microscopic world could come under the definition of a universe or dimension. Wait so all of a sudden it becomes implausible for other dimensions now? The only reason why it seems implausible to you is because I mentioned the g word.
Originally posted by Digi
Here's where you overstep logic. It doesn't make "perfect sense" for there to be gods that we can't perceive. It is, however, possible. But you seem to be confusing 'possible' with 'plausible,' the latter of which it most certainly isn't.
*sigh* No Digi, im not confusing anything. Its possible and plausible for reasons already given. The problem is you clearly are not comprehending the points im making and your last post clearly indicates this.
Originally posted by Digi
Saying that we don't know everything (which is the truth) then inserting a theory of gods based on no evidence will always remain possible. But, sans that all-important evidence, it will never be logical, rational to believe in, nor will it make perfect sense, especially when there is so much that we do know that precludes the need for any sort of supernatural intervention.
Humans are supernatural are they? If you actually thought for one moment you would actually realise that atheism and a scientific mindset does not actually contradict a world with gods, they are compatible.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Most people here mean the god of the bible when the write God. The god of the bible is no different then and other gods. So what do you mean when you captalize the word God?
Wow thats completetly incorrect. Gods in Norse Lore die for starters.
Big G indicates a being that is infinite and eternal. You don't have to be infinite and eternal to be a god or be all-powerful. A human-being is a god to an ant.
Originally posted by Deadline
Wow thats completetly incorrect. Gods in Norse Lore die for starters.Big G indicates a being that is infinite and eternal. You don't have to be infinite and eternal to be a god or be all-powerful. A human-being is a god to an ant.
No. That is like calling a flashlight magic just because it is magic to a primitive.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No. That is like calling a flashlight magic just because it is magic to a primitive.
All your quote states is that everything is relative that doesn't mean that humans can't be considered gods. The reason why you don't consider humans to be gods is because you are one yourself and don't see the big deal. If you look at mythology gods are not gods amongst other gods eventhough you have varying degrees of power levels but they are clearly massively more powerful than humans. That is comparable to humans and ants.
What humans can do to insects and the bacterial world is consistent with gods of myths. Thor was said to cause winds by blowing. A human could literially blow ants a way by blowing on them he could cause earthquakes by stamping his feets he could cause it to rain by spitting. Aren't gods said to have created races? Im not entirely sure but I think scientists are also capable of genetically modifying insects, when humans do things like that they are using there god like powers. Just because its not supernatural doesn't means its not consistent with being a god.
Just to illustrate a point. If you read DC comics you will know of a character called Mr Mxy who has the power to warp reality. Mr Mxy states to other races his powers seems like magic when all it is is science. Mr Mxy pretty much fits the defintion of a god and just like your quote hes not a magical being hes just more advanced. Human beings can't warp reality but to other creatures we could be considered to have magical powers, that doesn't mean we are not gods.
Originally posted by Deadline
All your quote states is that everything is relative that doesn't mean that humans can't be considered gods. The reason why you don't consider humans to be gods is because you are one yourself and don't see the big deal. If you look at mythology gods are not gods amongst other gods eventhough you have varying degrees of power levels but they are clearly massively more powerful than humans. That is comparable to humans and ants.What humans can do to insects and the bacterial world is consistent with gods of myths. Thor was said to cause winds by blowing. A human could literially blow ants a way by blowing on them he could cause earthquakes by stamping his feets he could cause it to rain by spitting. Aren't gods said to have created races? Im not entirely sure but I think scientists are also capable of genetically modifying insects, when humans do things like that they are using there god like powers. Just because its not supernatural doesn't means its not consistent with being a god.
Just to illustrate a point. If you read DC comics you will know of a character called Mr Mxy who has the power to warp reality. [b] Mr Mxy states to other races his powers seems like magic when all it is is science. Mr Mxy pretty much fits the defintion of a god and just like your quote hes not a magical being hes just more advanced.
Human beings can't warp reality but to other creatures we could be considered to have magical powers, that doesn't mean we are not gods. [/B]
I'm sure that is how gods came into existence. Humans love stories. They loved them 70,000 years ago just as much as they love them now. And there is nothing to compare to a good superhero. However, mixing fiction and science only gets you science fiction, and not science fact (or theory).
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I'm sure that is how gods came into existence. Humans love stories. They loved them 70,000 years ago just as much as they love them now.
Um they could have come to that conclusion from observing nature as well. 😬
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
And there is nothing to compare to a good superhero. However, mixing fiction and science only gets you science fiction, and not science fact (or theory).
You missed the point entirely. The references to fiction has nothing to do with why I think its plausible that gods exist. This is the issue, you don't consider human beings to be gods. Obvously your idea and concept of what a gods is comes from fiction. All I was doing is making comparisons with fictional gods and showing that human beings are consistent with the defintion of a god.
At this moment in our discussion were not talking about wether its plausible for gods to exist were talking about wether humans fit the defintion of a god.