Re: America is finished
Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Government of the corporations, by the corporations, and for the corporations
great thread Dark Cloud.the title of this thread is so true.
Re: America is finished
Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Government of the corporations, by the corporations, and for the corporations
great thread Dark Cloud.the title of this thread is so true.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Listen, the US can either accept this or give in to democracy. I think we all know what the founding fathers would have wanted.
our founding fathers would be horrified if they could get into a time machine and live in our country now to see how the american people have allowed this to happen and be ashamed of them.
Here's where I'm a bit weird, compared to others.
I think this is the way it should have been, from the begining.
However, there should have also existed caps or ceilings on how much money can be used for each type of national office campaign.
What limit should it be? No idea, but I think $785 million is waaaaaaaaaaaay too much to be spending on a presidential race. That's just American retardedness, right there.
Just to pull some numbers out of my ass: $30 million for Senate. $100 Million for Presidential elections.
$10 Million for House.
Originally posted by Bardock42
How silly.How silly.
lol! 😆
What some people aren't taking into account is this goes much further than free speech...or even capitalism vs socialism.
This ruling will give large corporations complete control over nearly every facet of our society.
Politicians will no longer need to hold fundraisers, corporations will fully fund their campaigns, for a price. All legislation will be subject to corporate approval. Politicians that don't fall in line will see their funds dry up and an agressive campaign launched to unseat them.
Small business venture capitalists will find themselves at the mercy of big business far more than they are now.
This decision is going to have far reaching consequences for our country, and none of them good.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
hmm
Glorious isn't it! 😄
At least I dont pretend like suddenly a corporation is going to be telling me when to hav children or that obama is the antichrist.
Americans wonder why their political system sucks. Unforatunately we live in a democracy, where retards elect people just like them. See? I just proved our democracy is healthy and vibrant. Our elected officials reflect the will of the people!
Originally posted by dadudemon
What's he doing that you don't like? Seriously.
He keeps saying that corporates having full influence in the government (theoretically) and even sadder as much influence as they have now is fascism. And he does so with conviction, not tongue in cheek, which is silly. He also takes Mussolini's definition above all, forgetting that obviously words evolve and we don't generally accept the definition of their deluded inventors, who obviously have some personal interest involved, as absolute.
Originally posted by Bardock42
He keeps saying that corporates having full influence in the government (theoretically) and even sadder as much influence as they have now is fascism. And he does so with conviction, not tongue in cheek, which is silly. He also takes Mussolini's definition above all, forgetting that obviously words evolve and we don't generally accept the definition of their deluded inventors, who obviously have some personal interest involved, as absolute.
Oh, okay.
I thought he was joking: ergo, the caps-lock text.
And, the idea of fascism existed before Mussolini, if I'm reading what you're saying, correctly. Surely the idea existed as a political philosophy long before Mussolini?
Still, if Mussolini, et al. (lol) invented it, then his definition would be the most correct, imo. The most common concurrent use would be incorrect, if it contradicts the originator...especially with something as this. Just because it is used a different way (as you imply), does not mean it is correct.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh, okay.I thought he was joking: ergo, the caps-lock text.
And, the idea of fascism existed before Mussolini, if I'm reading what you're saying, correctly. Surely the idea existed as a political philosophy long before Mussolini?
Still, if Mussolini, et al. (lol) invented it, then his definition would be the most correct, imo. The most common concurrent use would be incorrect, if it contradicts the originator...especially with something as this. Just because it is used a different way (as you imply), does not mean it is correct.
That's not how language works (except French). The definition in use is the correct one, not the root meaning or the oldest definition. If you actually tried to speak to someone treating words as if they meant what they did originally even a short sentence would be gobbldeygook.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That's not how language works (except French). The definition in use is the correct one, not the root meaning or the oldest definition. If you actually tried to speak to someone treating words as if they meant what they did originally even a short sentence would be gobbldeygook.
That works for most words, especially older words.
But, that doesn't work at all for something such as a political philosophy that was invented in modern history. If people are using the term incorrectly, they need to be corrected. Incorrectly using a word enough DOES change the definition over time, but I am declaring, at this moment, that if Mussolini "invented" Fascism, his definition is the most correct and all other variances that do not agree with his definition, are incorrect in some way.
There, now that I took care of that...
That's not how any language works. The definition of the word has to be in accordance with the facts. The act is people can say one thing and do another, I am sure Stalin would give you a most delightful definition of Stalinism, but he actually defined it more through actions than words.
On top of that the definition DJ keeps quoting is extremely limited, and doesn't encompass all aspects, but rather focusses on one that is a major talking point for his ideology.