Flash at his top speeds is faster than Surfer, imo. He just doesn't have many feats crossing cosmic distances by nature of his character being a human.
But he's definitively faster than Superman, who does have feats crossing vast cosmic distances in short spans of time.
But I don't see where this discussion has anything to do with this thread.
Originally posted by galactusischere
Hmm..if the speed force were to be consumed by big G, would Galactus be completely immune to the equation?
and by the scans I was showing that anything SF can do, Galactus can do better.
Maybe. But where's he going to consume the speed force? The Speed Force I think represents freedom from all restrictions, total escape.
That said I'm not sure the Flashs were immune to the ALE i.e. if they got infected they'd be slaves to it, unless another Flash cured them with the speed force.
Originally posted by Allankles
[B]ALE in FC was the complete equation, it is explained that only small parts of the unthinkably large equation are seen or spoken in the lower dimensions of the DCU. Basically the equation that people chant is a very simplified translation.
You don't know that it was the 'complete' equation. It certainly seemed less powerful and less widespread than what Orion was able to do with the complete equation, for instance.
And again, for those touting the speed force, I'd remind you that when Orion had the Anti Life Equation he was easily able to control the JLA -- Flash included. It's not the speed force. It was the pure love thing.
Originally posted by Desaad
You don't know that it was the 'complete' equation. It certainly seemed less powerful and less widespread than what Orion was able to do with the complete equation, for instance.And again, for those touting the speed force, I'd remind you that when Orion had the Anti Life Equation he was easily able to control the JLA -- Flash included. It's not the speed force. It was the pure love thing.
In one the FC tie-ins it says that DS mastered the whole unthinkable equation. Also I think he tells Batman that he'd proven it
Originally posted by Omega VisionSo what you are saying is a lot of things can resist the ale and presuming Galactus can't is complete speculation.
There were a few ways to escape the ALE. One of them is being a Monitor, another is being branded with the New Genesis letter for freedom, another is being exposed previously to a smaller dose, one is apparently hope (though that's rather unclear), and then there's apparently the speed force.
Originally posted by galactusischere
You and Quan need to end this blood rivarly. seriously all you 2 do is disagree with each other
Originally posted by quanchi112
In the Thanos vs. Superman thread. Where else would it be?
Originally posted by Omega VisionThey don't have the reactionary feats or the methods Thanos has to negate speed. Duh.
Disagreement tends to happen when one party is consistently wrong (Quan). But I don't disagree with him on everything. I agree that Thanos beats Superman but I disagree with his belief that Superman can't take one win. I'm a DS fanboy but I admit that Superman can beat Darkseid without it even being PIS necessarily, its just no writer has ever done a good job of portraying a good DS/Superman fight where Superman wins, except perhaps in the DCAU, but that isn't comics.I'll check on it, but its a scientific rule of thumb that one should never say anything is proven, only highly likely and/or suggested to be true. You can't prove that Superman will never be able to speed-blitz Thanos when comics have shown Superman speed-blitzing guys faster than Thanos time and time again.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Start debating. You use generalized terms while not stating anything, really.Look through the Superman/Thanos thread.
Originally posted by Omega VisionWhat characters are Thanos level?
Generalized terms like "Based on?" and "Iyo", and "How so?" face it, you're the king of charlatans when debating is concerned. I'll look through the thread but I doubt there will be anything more in it than your usual pathetic excuse for discourse.
Can they put up shields,use tk, etc. like Thanos has?
Originally posted by quanchi112
What characters are Thanos level?Can they put up shields,use tk, etc. like Thanos has?
Originally posted by Omega VisionHP Doomsday crushed him. He doesn't have anywhere near the abilities Thanos has. He's just a brick.
H/P Doomsday, Darkseid, an Imperiex Probe, Despero.
Thanos hasn't done enough with his tk to prove that he could do anything significant to Superman with it and as for the shields that relies on him putting them up before Superman reaches him, hence the speed-blitz issue. The shields don't automatically defeat a speed-blitz, its really all a quick draw contest and Superman's odds are as good or better than Thanos' at winning such a contest.
Darkseid isn't anywhere near Thanos' level. He also doesn't use shields or tk to negate speed.
Saying a probe is Thanos' level is completely stupid. You really don't have the foggiest clue about anything do you?
Despero has varied in appearances. Does he have the abilities Thanos has when dealing with speed?
Fallen One and the Surfer showing prove you wrong.
Read up on Thanos before spouting such nonsense.