ESB Luke Vs. Ahsoka Tano

What we have here... is a failure to communicate.

"What we have here... is a failure to communicate."

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Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
ki-Adi-Mundi used the force against GG to no avail. As did Shaak Ti, and others he's killed and/or dueled (including Asajj Ventress). While Vader is very powerful, that aspect alone does not equate to him being "far superior"

Really, don't use try to argue that vader isn't far superior to GG in the force(lulz GG can't even use the force) just because an inferior jedi to vader couldn't hurt GG to begin with and that means it was a terrible comparison.

Originally posted by BoratBorat
One question, does ki-adi-mundi happen to be as powerful as vader or even half as powerful?

Really, don't use try to argue that vader isn't far superior to GG in the force(lulz GG can't even use the force) just because an inferior jedi to vader couldn't hurt GG to begin with and that means it was a terrible comparison.

Are you really this f**king dense in the real world??? Seriously dude. Did I argue that Vader wasn't superior to GG - force wise? NO, not once - and for obvious reasons!!! Examine the post. YOU, friendo, attacked a position that I didn't establish (straw man argument -which seems to be an ongoing theme around here right now).

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
What we have here... is a failure to communicate.

Some men you just can't reach, which is the way he wants it, well he gets it; I don't like it, any more than you men.

Just had to finish it.

Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Are you really this f**king dense in the real world??? Seriously dude. Did I argue that Vader wasn't superior to GG - force wise? NO, not once - and for obvious reasons!!! Examine the post. YOU, friendo, attacked a position that I didn't establish (straw man argument -which seems to be an ongoing theme around here right now).

you cant out-aggro borat, no one can. so just... dont try it.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
you cant out-aggro borat, no one can. so just... dont try it.

QFT.

Nor can you out-pretentious me.

You can, however, be correct.

The closest you've come to a position on the thread (which is what I asked you to substantiate) is this:

Far superior? [Note: Vader:Grievous] Not at all

That is not a comment on Tano, so my line accusing you of failure to prove that "Tano's feats are unquestionably superior to Luke's" is meaningless, given that you never took on that burden. I apologize and retract that condemnation. I will not, however, back down from the assertion that your Grievous/Vader comparison fails; you h ave not supported the idea that "Vader is not "far" beyond Grievous" sufficiently.

Spoiler:
The method you've chosen to undermine [what's his bucket]'s argument (ironically) undermines your own; just as he has not proven the Vader/Grievous relationship, neither have you. Furthermore, you've made the mistake of taking a position on the matter ("My point is that Vader IS NOT far superior to GG"😉 that can be and is being challenged.

Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Are you really this f**king dense in the real world??? Seriously dude. Did I argue that Vader wasn't superior to GG - force wise? NO, not once - and for obvious reasons!!! Examine the post. YOU, friendo, attacked a position that I didn't establish (straw man argument -which seems to be an ongoing theme around here right now).

Originally posted by BoratBorat
I'm not.... I'm just pointing out that your comparison was horrible.

What comparison? The one you attacked? That of course would be the one I DIDN'T make. Which makes your argument fall under the category of the straw man variety. Which makes you out to look like a fool. Seriously, drop it. As for Red Nemesis, I understand what you're saying, and I will address that (at least as well as I can) when I get some more time. Thanks for pointing that out though.

Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
What comparison? The one you attacked? That of course would be the one I DIDN'T make. Which makes your argument fall under the category of the straw man variety. Which makes you out to look like a fool.

You know the one where you tried to convince me that just because ki adi mundi(an inferior to vader) couldn't affect GG with the force, it means that vader(a vastly superior individual) can't as well.

Spoiler:
Lulz but how i forgot you didn't make this comparison

So who is the fool here? Or do you want me to start attacking you?

You lose.

Originally posted by BoratBorat
How am i a fool when i pointed out your stupid and ridiculous comparison?

You know the one where you tried to convince me that just because ki adi mundi(an inferior to vader) couldn't affect GG with the force, it means that vader(a vastly superior individual) can't as well.

Spoiler:
Lulz but how i forgot you didn't make this comparison

.

So who is the fool here? Or do you want me to start attacking you?

You lose.

Oh no... please don't ATTACK ME... holy f**cking shit I'm terrified!!! Uh yeah dipshit, do what you want. As I posted before, go back and read what I typed - in response to what you typed. If you're too ****ing obtuse to understand it (which apparently you are), well... then that's a personal problem I guess.

Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Oh no... please don't ATTACK ME... holy f**cking shit I'm terrified!!! Uh yeah dipshit, do what you want. As I posted before, go back and read what I typed - in response to what you typed. If you're too ****ing obtuse to understand it (which apparently you are), well... then that's a personal problem I guess.

Funny how i remained so calm yet i can imagine your blood boiling and steam shooting out your ears.

I simply pointed out the flaw of your comparison and you didn't even know which comparison i was talking about and outright deny that you made the comparison. You lose again.

Originally posted by BoratBorat
Typical. I did read, and i did give you a proper response. But you obviously misread it and don't want to admit to your mistake.

Funny how i remained so calm yet i can imagine your blood boiling and steam shooting out your ears.

I simply pointed out the flaw of your comparison and you didn't even know which comparison i was talking about and outright [b]deny that you made the comparison. You lose again. [/B]

So... genius... when did I propose that Vader couldn't "couldn't affect GG with the force"? Hmmm... tell me. Be careful now... We wouldn't want for you to look like more of an ass.

Ok.

Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
ki-Adi-Mundi used the force against GG to no avail. As did Shaak Ti, and others he's killed and/or dueled (including Asajj Ventress).

^ You implied it. Just read your own post.

You are basically saying, "oh shits, adi mundi used teh force to no avail on GG so it means vater c@nt u$3 j@ck sH1T!!"

Then i point out this comparison as turd because ki adi mundi is far weaker than vader and you are using it to prove vader isn't "far superior" to GG. Do you get it?

however, Mace, Fisto, and Kenobi all used the force against Grievous, and he had no defense against it.

ding ding, we have a winner!

Really, this guys comparison was absolute turd and he denys making any comparison at all accusing me of attacking a position he didnt take.

Originally posted by BoratBorat
Ok.

^ You implied it. Just read your own post.

You are basically saying, "oh shits, adi mundi used teh force to no avail on GG so it means vater c@nt u$3 j@ck sH1T!!"

Then i point out this comparison as turd because ki adi mundi is far weaker than vader and you are using it to prove vader isn't "far superior" to GG. Do you get it?

Fist things first. When you quote me, quote my entire comment. What did you fail to leave out of said comment? Oh yeah... While Vader is very powerful, that aspect alone does not equate to him being "far superior." And, utilizing context, what was that quote in direct reply to? Hmmm?

And why not far superior if we bring in the force? GG can't even use the force so how can vader not be far superior to him in that aspect?

So... you implied that having the force alone makes Vader FAR SUPERIOR to Grievous. Meanwhile, I pointed out instances where having the force did little good against Grievous (never once arguing that Vader wasn't superior in that lone aspect). Therefore it is to be understood (by those of reasonable intelligence) that I hold the view that - yes, Vader is Vastly more powerful than Ki-Adi-Mundi - but that (force use) doesn't grant him an automatic standing of being vastly superior to Grievous.

Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Fist things first. When you quote me, quote my entire comment. What did you fail to leave out of said comment? Oh yeah... [b]While Vader is very powerful, that aspect alone does not equate to him being "far superior." And, utilizing context, what was that quote in direct reply to? Hmmm? [/B]

Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai

So... you implied that having the force alone makes Vader FAR SUPERIOR to Grievous.

Originally posted by BoratBorat
And why not far superior if we bring in the force? GG can't even use the force so how can vader not be far superior to him in that aspect?

^ There you go, i simply stated vader IS far superior to GG in the force category. But you obviously didn't read it did you? Admit it.

Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai

Meanwhile, I pointed out instances where having the force did little good against Grievous (never once arguing that Vader wasn't superior in that lone aspect). Yes - Vader is Vastly more powerful than Ki-Adi-Mundi - but that (force use) doesn't grant him an automatic standing of being vastly superior to Grievous.

The problem is you were using an inferior jedi to point out the force did little to GG, had you brought up like lets say... "oh yoda did little to grievous with the force" then that would had been a much better comparison and far more reasonable.

You can't simply use an inferior jedi's inability to affect grievous to dispute that a far more powerful sith lord can't as well..

I'm sorry but it seems that comparison is still an utter failure seeing how obi wan and mace windu dominated grievous with the force with a simple telekinetic move which vader happens to be a great master off.

So yes, vader is far more "powerful" than grievous in the force.

why not?