Originally posted by BoratBorat
And why not far superior if we bring in the force? GG can't even use the force so how can vader not be far superior to him in that aspect?
Wrong!!! English dictates that by saying "And why not far superior if we bring in the force?" You are implying that Vader is "far superior" because of THAT aspect, not in THAT aspect,,, but because of it. That's what your comment implied. I simply offered evidence that the force alone does not equate to automatic superiority. You apparently don't even understand your own comment.
Here... let me just say this (because this is getting old and is like arguing w/ a bag of hammers). I think we both have misunderstood each others position on the matter at hand. I definitely agree that Vader IS SUPERIOR to Grievous. That's not even a question in my mind. I however, find the evidence lacking that he is FAR SUPERIOR... let me say this again - FAR SUPERIOR - to Grievous. However, that is a relative term. Far superior might mean one thing to you, and something else to me. So that kind of makes it a moot point.
In the end, we have a misunderstanding. And with that, I apologize for getting bent out of shape (frustration). And I respectfully move to end this conflict.
Jinsoku: Here is a piece of evidence to support that ability to use the force is often a dealbreaker:
Jedi Twilight: Coruscant Knights: Pg. 314
It didn't atter how well versed the Falleen might be with a lightsaber... No ordinary humanoid could contend with a Jedi one-on-one and expect to win. Even a true teras kasi adept, harnessing his own iner energy and drawing on decades of honed skill, could hope, at best, for a draw, and there weren't more than a handfulof those in all the galaxy.
Originally posted by truejedi
Jinsoku: Here is a piece of evidence to support that ability to use the force is often a dealbreaker:Jedi Twilight: Coruscant Knights: Pg. 314
General Grievous was by no means an "ordinary humanoid". Therefore that source quote is invalid in this context.
And I've already provided evidence that using the force isn't ALWAYS a dealbreaker.
Originally posted by Jinsoku TakaiApology accepted. Now where is my kiss?
Wrong!!! English dictates that by saying "And why not far superior if we bring in the force?" You are implying that Vader is "far superior" because of THAT aspect, not in THAT aspect,,, but because of it. That's what your comment implied. I simply offered evidence that the force [b]alone does not equate to automatic superiority. You apparently don't even understand your own comment.Here... let me just say this (because this is getting old and is like arguing w/ a bag of hammers). I think we both have misunderstood each others position on the matter at hand. I definitely agree that Vader IS SUPERIOR to Grievous. That's not even a question in my mind. I however, find the evidence lacking that he is FAR SUPERIOR... let me say this again - FAR SUPERIOR - to Grievous. However, that is a relative term. Far superior might mean one thing to you, and something else to me. So that kind of makes it a moot point.
In the end, we have a misunderstanding. And with that, I apologize for getting bent out of shape (frustration). And I respectfully move to end this conflict. [/B]