Who is more versatile? Surfer or a top tier Green Lantern? · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Prep-Man Senior Member

Who is more versatile? Surfer or a top tier Green Lantern?

Let's use Hal, Kyle or whatever. Who is more versatile? And why?

Desaad Senior Member

About on equal footing. I think you'd be hardpressed to find an ability that one has that the other has not demonstrated at some point.

Starscream M Senior Member

Green Lantern.

Surfer can't create a giant green baseball glove. 😐

Priest Senior Member

Green Lantern is more versatile. But the Silver Surfer would rock or Kyle

xJLxKing Senior Member

Re: Who is more versatile? Surfer or a top tier Green Lantern?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Let's use Hal, Kyle or whatever. Who is more versatile? And why?

GO to the battlezone

Mindset Senior Member

Let's use Hal.

SS.

rotiart Stan Lee Stole my name

Surfer has the more versatile power.. and displays of it...
even against a guy like hal.

Original Smurph tu quoqumber

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t513639.html

shokosugi Restricted

Green Lantern >>> SS or any glorified Galactus errand boy

Prep-Man Senior Member

Originally posted by rotiart
Surfer has the more versatile power.. and displays of it...
even against a guy like hal.

Even counting Pre-Crisis days of Hal? He did pretty much anything. Energy manipulation, time travel, transmutation, teleportation, healing, energy bolts, you name it. What feats does Surfer have that puts him above Hal in versatility? Something that Hal hasn't done?

Slaanesh The forces of Chaos

Surfer is more versatile..

Prep-Man Senior Member

Originally posted by Slaanesh
Surfer is more versatile..

I like your reasoning.

Slaanesh The forces of Chaos

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I like your reasoning.

i have no actual reason whatsoever..u see..my favorite hero is Surfer followed by Flash and GL..they are about even in versatility but because i like Surfer more..i said Surfer is more versatile..

Prep-Man Senior Member

Gotcha.

janus77 Banana Genius

can GLs synthesise magic?
can they see into the past/future?
can they steal/absorp souls?
can they drag people into the Astral/spiritual plane?
can GLs caste illusions, hypnotise, heal other characters (Thor level characters!), evolve planets (billions of years), affect psychology and emotions globally?

I dunno, I think Surfer is being underestimated here.

Prep-Man Senior Member

Originally posted by janus77
can GLs synthesise magic?
can they see into the past/future?
can they steal/absorp souls?
can they drag people into the Astral/spiritual plane?
can GLs caste illusions, hypnotise, heal other characters (Thor level characters!), evolve planets (billions of years), affect psychology and emotions globally?
I dunno, I think Surfer is being underestimated here.

He's not being underestimated at all. And I'm not saying GL is more versatile than Surfer. It's pretty even, I think. Here is a list of what Hal has done throughout the years. A good PC Hal respect thread. Most of that stuff Hal has done.

http://www.thegreenlanterncorps.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4598

Mindship Snap out of it.

I don't see a significant difference between the two. As descriptions have often stated, the power ring is limited only by will and imagination; with power cosmic, it's more a question of what the Surfer can't do.

Given that the whole idea of the ring is to be able to do virtually anything (and that seems to be how it's generally showcased), and that Surfer more/less tends to enter a fray with simple blasting, if I had to vote one way or the other, I'd give the edge to a top GL. But again, this is a somewhat arbitrary decision.

Question: which works better against magic? Here too my impression is the ring, given that power cosmic seems a little more closely tied to the laws of physics, whereas with Oan energy...I haven't the faintest idea what that actually means (at least there is such a thing as cosmic energy, even if Marvel takes great liberty with what that means).

To paraphrase, a plot device by any other name would work as well.

the ninjak FRINGE Division

A GL cop beating a Herald is like Nova beating one.
Not gonna happen.
Surfer.
Glorified telekinetic shapes won't stand up to Power Cosmic energy cutting right through it.

Desaad Senior Member

Originally posted by janus77
[B]can GLs synthesise magic?

You know what synthesize means, right? It's not as though Surfer proved capable of producing the Odin Power -- he was able to manipulate it and SYNTHESIZE IT (combine) with his own power cosmic, yes.

can they see into the past/future?

And travel into the past/future.

can they steal/absorp souls?

Absolutely, and on a greater scale than the Surfer, who has one example of having trouble with a single soul in a story that may or may not be out of continuity before he got the Blackbody power up.

Kilowog absorbed the souls of every mind on his planet, something like 16 billion.

can they drag people into the Astral/spiritual plane?

They've certainly gone to the Astral Plane, yes.

can GLs caste illusions, hypnotise, heal other characters (Thor level characters!), evolve planets (billions of years), affect psychology and emotions globally?

GL's can cast illusions, they can hypnotize (and much more), they can heal other characters (including Flash level characters), they can CREATE entire planets from asteroids (complete with ecosystems and, at times, structures and technology), and they can take over the minds of every being on an entire planet, yes.

Desaad Senior Member

Here are some examples to back up my statements.

Magic

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/GreenLantern026-22.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/GreenLantern026-23.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/GreenLantern026-24.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/GreenLantern026-28.jpg

First we see that an entire world/dimension exists within the GL ring. Then we see that the GL ring was able to take away/suppress the magical abilities of Mrywheddon. Then we see Hal defeat Myrwheddon on his own.

http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu71/Desaad86/Hal%20Jordan%203/Green_Lantern_v2_042pdf-020.jpg
http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu71/Desaad86/Hal%20Jordan%203/Green_Lantern_v2_042pdf-031.jpg

Here Hal is transported to another, parallel universe which was born with only one, supremely powerful magical ruler -- the Warlock of Ys. Due to the steady state of the universe, his magic is infinite, he's all powerful, blah blah blah. The rules of the universe are different, but once Hal learns how to use his ring, he performs well, and eventually totally freezes the Warlock in a state of suspended animation.

This is a doozey. Rond Vidar, Green Lantern for the 31st Century, goes up against Mordru, Superboy Prime, and the Legion of Supervillains. During the course of the battle we see how he fares against probably one of the most powerful mages in the DCU, ever, we see his ring deliver information on each member of the Legion of Supervillains, we see him create an energy dome that shields him from the COMBINED energy attacks of all of them (including an energy signature that appears to belong to Mordru and one that belongs to Superboy Prime), he refracts Lazon (pure energy being), and even seems to cage Validus for a bit. He’s killed in the effort, but man…what a way to go!

Time Travel/Time Manipulation

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/gl51_05.jpg

When Hal senses that he’s needed in the future, he simply travels through time with his ring as easily as he might travel through space.

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/gl63_22.jpg

And again Hal travels through time.

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/4213f3c7.jpg

And again he travels through time.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/GLLegacy_pg086.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/GLLegacy_pg087.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/GLLegacy_pg088.jpg

Tom and Marty (Good side of Hal imprinted upon the ring) travel through time to stop Hal Jordan from destroying the Corps. They are intercepted by Parallax.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/TimeMasters_07_p13.jpg

Hal sends the Time Masters through time. The ring also knows when and where to find Atlantis.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/1989-03-14_Action_Comics_642_12_GL.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/1989-03-14_Action_Comics_642_22_GL.jpg

On the verge of death, Hal stops time (stretching a nanosecond into Eternity) and teleports or transports beings from all across the planet to decide someone worthy to carry on for him. He later decides that he in fact doesn’t want to die, and wills himself to life with the ring.

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/ee04c321.jpg

Hal frees himself from a Time Warp.

http://i83.imagethrust.com/images/5tgY/view-image/racerx-b-b-6--p-11--12.html

http://i83.imagethrust.com/images/5tgZ/view-image/racerx-b-b-6--p-13.html

Hal supercharged a Zeta Beam so that it travels through time and locks onto Batman.

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/a22a8b50.jpg

Hal either stops time for an entire system or causes every being in the system to freeze. Either way, pretty impressive I would say.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/GreenLantern026-11.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/GreenLantern026-12.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/GreenLantern026-14.jpg

Hal, faced with beings that exist seconds into the future, sends his beam into the future to defeat them (well, Sapphire does it first, but Hal was planning on it).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/greenlanterncorps215-08horus.jpg

Time travelling.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/greenlanterncorps215-21horus.jpg

Time travelling.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/greenlanterncorps223-07ocdhorus-1.jpg

Salaak travels through time.

And specifically in regards to seeing into the past.....

http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermanmanofsteelannual04year.jpg

Hal uses his ring to discover the origins of Superman before even SUPERMAN knows what they are.

...and the future....

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/?action=view&current=greenlanterncorps213-12horus.jpg

Ch’pp’s ring detects where Salaak has gone after he traveled through time, down to the correct century.

Souls

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/2ff2fb9b.jpg

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/81035d01.jpg

Kilowog’s ring absorbs the life forces/souls of his entire race, numbering in the multiple billions.

Astral Plane

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/gl51_14.jpg

When Kilowog is tortured by the death of his entire race, the rookie Arisia converts herself into pure mind energy and enters his mindscape, essentially showing a great degree of telepathy.

Illusions

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/DCComicsPresents_006-04.jpg

Superman with Hal’s ring is able to create a duplicate of himself that fools everyone.

http://img437.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superman367076qw.jpg

Hal creates a disguise for himself to make him look and sound so much like Clark Kent that Lois Lane can’t tell the difference!

http://s635.photobucket.com/albums/uu71/Desaad86/Hal%20Jordan%203/?action=view&current=JLAY1_11_19.jpg

More disguises, this time Hal makes each of the members of the Justice League look like another (Flash looks like Aquaman, etc). As an aside, he also breaks whatever was holding Superman.

Mind Control- Global Level

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/3829e2f4.jpg

Hal, playing along with the Alien’s ruse, takes over the mind of every being on the planet.