Cloud Vs. Aspects

Assuming he can run on the semi-ethereal Nozdormu, the burning hot Deathwing (magma for blood?) and the fully ethereeal Ysera. Although I doubt he can run upside down, most sources suggest Warcraft Dragons are far more numble and quick than the slow and lumbering Bahamut.

Ysera can't do anything if ethereal except cheer the other dragons on, semi-ethereal implies a bit of physicalness.

It's not like he needs to run on them or all of them he can leap up and smash through thier necks.

I am not sure what being updside down has to do with anything, Cloud can fall a very far way due to his awesome falling technique.

Semi-ethereal e.g. made up of time and sands that Cloud could not step on. it means that if he attempts to jump on her, she goes semi-ethereal and he falls to his death.

Errr, well you know, being upside down means he is running nowhere, he is falling down.....only to be eaten or smashed by one of the dragons. Breaking him asunder.

Cloud has very good fighting technique while in the air.

He wouldn't fall to his death 🙁.

Cloud cant fly so sure he would fall to his death.... but no your right I guess he may not fall to his death as its likely he will be eaten or smashed by one of the dragons before he reaches the ground.

Lol, Cloud has fallen massive distances without hurting himself. Not to mention he wouldn't get himself into a position he couldn't get out of such as falling to his death.

Lol, he can see dragons coming to him, he can block and run around them as they try and eat or smash him.

As I said, he fights very very well in the air.

Thats a bit of a copout, its not really his choice is it what position his in, the dragons have the field here.

Show me Cloud blocking a large dragon?

You are thinking about the fight as if the dragons are the only ones able to move.

He blocks Bahamut on several occasions.

Well they are half the time, their larger, faster and stronger than Bahamut which is likely Clouds main experiance in the matter and are far more intelligent. Fact of the matter is they can fly and manouver in ways Cloud could have no hope of comparing to.

He is dependant on them as ground to walk and move on yet assuming their just going to give him a nice flat motionless surface for him to run about on is a mistake, they will make it hell for him to stand and once he falls, he is done for unless one of the dragons just happens to be within his reach as he falls.

Can you show this please.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Well they are half the time, their larger, faster and stronger than Bahamut which is likely Clouds main experiance in the matter and are far more intelligent.

They can't manouver faster then Cloud can react to, he has shown that he can adapt to a lot of situations. If they flip upside down he could smash his sword into the dragon and hang on, or leap off and land on another dragon or fall off and land on the ground.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Fact of the matter is they can fly and manouver in ways Cloud could have no hope of comparing to.

He doesn't need to compare to them in terms of flight speed. He can react to them, such as when he placed his swords such that he could stand on them when versing Sephiroth, he can adapt to situations in the air very well even though he can't fly.

Originally posted by Burning thought
He is dependant on them as ground to walk and move on yet assuming their just going to give him a nice flat motionless surface for him to run about on is a mistake, they will make it hell for him to stand and once he falls, he is done for unless one of the dragons just happens to be within his reach as he falls.

He is not, they also need to defeat him. As I have said he has fallen long distances and survived. Cloud has shown that he fights very very well against flying enemies as he can adapt.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Can you show this please.

I'll show you if you show me.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
Ysera can't do anything if ethereal except cheer the other dragons on, semi-ethereal implies a bit of physicalness.

It's not like he needs to run on them or all of them he can leap up and smash through thier necks.

I am not sure what being updside down has to do with anything, Cloud can fall a very far way due to his awesome falling technique.

You underestimate the ethereal power of Ysera. In the issue "The Inner Beast", Varian and Broll come across a green dragon who ultilize the ethereal technique for combat. When Wrynn swung at it, the sword passed through. After having gone through the green dragon and his swing still had momentum, the green dragon slapped Wrynn and sent him across the room.

Broll said that the green dragon was physical only when it wanted it to, the technique controlled by its own will.

Each of the aspects are simply to much of a challenge.

Nozdormu: Can still see every move Cloud make before he does it.
Ysera: Can turn Ethereal
Deathwing: Adamantium Plating and generally badass and likes to fight dirty, slaughtered a red dragon while being restricted.
Alex: Her attacks hurted Deathwing and she wasn't being significantly damaged by him.
Malygos: Withstood a blast from the Demon Soul that killed all the other blue Dragons present, equal in every sense of the word in the strength depart in regards to Deathwing imo.

To put it short, Cloud is going to get squashed, especially if the Aspects attack together, their telepathic communication is quite fast.

Originally posted by Rapidash
You underestimate the ethereal power of Ysera. In the issue "The Inner Beast", Varian and Broll come across a green dragon who ultilize the ethereal technique for combat. When Wrynn swung at it, the sword passed through. After having gone through the green dragon and his swing still had momentum, the green dragon slapped Wrynn and sent him across the room.

Broll said that the green dragon was physical only when it wanted it to, the technique controlled by its own will.

It's a non-issue, Cloud could still dodge or block the attack.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Each of the aspects are simply to much of a challenge.

Nozdormu: Can still see every move Cloud make before he does it.
Ysera: Can turn Ethereal
Deathwing: Adamantium Plating and generally badass and likes to fight dirty, slaughtered a red dragon while being restricted.
Alex: Her attacks hurted Deathwing and she wasn't being significantly damaged by him.
Malygos: Withstood a blast from the Demon Soul that killed all the other blue Dragons present, equal in every sense of the word in the strength depart in regards to Deathwing imo.

To put it short, Cloud is going to get squashed, especially if the Aspects attack together, their telepathic communication is quite fast.

Nozdormu: Coolio.

Ysera: Great, still wouldn't be able to hit Cloud.

Deathwing: Awesomesauce.

Alex: Wow.

Malygos: I see.

None of those feats showed how Cloud would get sqaushed, they couldn't possibly attack Cloud together as he is a fairly small target and they are fairly big.

Cloud is not durable so they would prob just have to scrape him with a fly by slash of a tail or something to crush every bone in his body.

Also based on feats Cloud could probably do very little damage to any of them, especially those that are not completly physical.

Deathwing could just bodyslam Cloud. I haven't seen any strength feats that indicate he would be able to take Deathwing out, even should he hit.

But you speak of Cloud as if he is Wally West. When has he shown this astonishing speed?

You realise Bahamut was flying up at the time that Cloud hit him, he completely reversed the acceleration of Bahamut. Gravity has nothing to do with that feat.

He has also shown to be able to leap very far quickly and to be able to block massive claws.

Also: Cloud did not "block" as you imply. He took advantage of air providing minimal resistance while the dragon pushed him back with it's strikes. Yes, he used his sword to intercept those, but it's so godamn big I could use it to stop a hail of bullet fire by standing behind it. So, the dragon pushed him, and he was smart enoguh to let it push him by his sword. This is not a feat, because a normal human could do that. (minus lifting the stupid big sword.)

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
In a straight physical battle, Cloud will be fighting the five aspects of Warcraft. Malygos, Nozdormu, Alexstrasza, Ysera and Neltharion.
Malygos pre-insanity, Alexstrasza post-Grim Batol, Ysera Malorne-postmortem and then Neltharion pre-Cataclysm.

Strictly physical encounter and it take place in a large forest. Cloud is aware of Neltharion's armor and he is aware of their powers, but not aware that the dragons just like him can not use any powers.

Also with the Cloud scene, I do remember Bahamut just pushing him back the whole time during their first bout, but Cloud did knock him down with a single blow in the end. This was before Bahamut decided to fly up and charge the flare.

Originally posted by K1ll3r

Nozdormu: Coolio.

Ysera: Great, still wouldn't be able to hit Cloud.

Deathwing: Awesomesauce.

Alex: Wow.

Malygos: I see.

None of those feats showed how Cloud would get sqaushed, they couldn't possibly attack Cloud together as he is a fairly small target and they are fairly big.

You obviously don't understand that it's these things taken into consideration, that makes this "battle" a complete stomp, where will Cloud hide or do for that matter that Nozdormu can't immidiately inform his fellow aspects about?

You are right five humans can't step on a ant all together, but the same scenario also require only one human to crush the ant, same scenario here. Cloud might be small, but he is not smaller then Rhonin(average human) that Deathwing was easily capable of target and hold without any effort and could have killed him just as easily.

What exactly do you think Cloud is up against? Five overgrown lizards?

Originally posted by Burning thought
Cloud is not durable so they would prob just have to scrape him with a fly by slash of a tail or something to crush every bone in his body.

Also based on feats Cloud could probably do very little damage to any of them, especially those that are not completly physical.

Cloud would jump onto or over the tail, or leap out of the way of the bodyslam.

Originally posted by Rapidash
Deathwing could just bodyslam Cloud. I haven't seen any strength feats that indicate he would be able to take Deathwing out, even should he hit.

But you speak of Cloud as if he is Wally West. When has he shown this astonishing speed?

Cloud could dodge the body slam.

I don't know who Wally West is 🙁 But Cloud has leaped very large distances in a few seconds, coupled with his insane reaction speed...

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
*Bunch of stuff*

FALLLLSE, nice attempt at trolling though.

Originally posted by Utrigita
You obviously don't understand that it's these things taken into consideration, that makes this "battle" a complete stomp, where will Cloud hide or do for that matter that Nozdormu can't immidiately inform his fellow aspects about?

You are right five humans can't step on a ant all together, but the same scenario also require only one human to crush the ant, same scenario here. Cloud might be small, but he is not smaller then Rhonin(average human) that Deathwing was easily capable of target and hold without any effort and could have killed him just as easily.

What exactly do you think Cloud is up against? Five overgrown lizards?

*sigh* Why would he need to hide?

Deathwing attempts to bodyslam Cloud, Cloud leaps out of the way into Nozdormu, Nozdormu attempts to swipe at him Cloud blocks and lands a fair way away, Cloud leaps up onto Alex, attempting to eat him and starts smashing it's head, Alex twists around and flies up, Cloud runs around, jumping to keep balanced on the dragon while continualling hitting it...ect etc etc.

Yes, I think that. Obviously I don't know anything about these dragons 'cause I haven't played any Warcraft game or have all the Warcraft books.
🙄

I see you have no counterpoint to my argument. 😉

Also, for all his insane reaction time, cloud /does/ get shot in A.C.