Cloud Vs. Aspects

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Originally posted by K1ll3r
Cloud could dodge the body slam.

I don't know who Wally West is 🙁 But Cloud has leaped very large distances in a few seconds, coupled with his insane reaction speed...

Not if he is to attack him. Cloud needs to be close in order to attack Deathwing and Deathwing can simply use his sheer size, weight and adamantium to make use of that. Out of all the aspects, Deathwing is the smartest. Something that will come in handy in a physical brawl against someone small and limber.

Wally West is Flash from DC Comics.

High reaction speed and traveling long distances in short amounts of time does not change the fact that the laws of physics relatively still apply. When Cloud swing his sword, he is exposed, because you can not dodge an attack and swing at the same time. Not if he wants to hit these guys.

When it comes to jumping long distances, it is one thing to travel in one specific direction and another to use that speed to fight five highly dangerous dragons.
Varian Wrynn move fast enough to elude human perception, but he stood absolutely no chance against a lesser green dragon. Because of the required space in swinging a sword, the green dragon rapidly got the advantage and slapped Varian around like he was nothing.

This video, although the characters are irrelevant, might give you perspective. Speed advantage is only an advantage for as long as it leave the target of the speedster exposed. So Cloud is faster than the aspects. He will only avoid being hit for so long. He will in the end either be forced to concede the fight or he will be hit and eaten.

The aspects can take his hits. He can't take theirs. This battle is theirs basically by default, because he can't do anything against them. He might slay Alexstrasza and Malygos with some luck. Nozdormu will predict everything he does, Ysera is not physical more than she has to and Deathwing has adamantium plating. Cloud is screwed, because faster or not, he lack the capability to beat them even should he outspeed them.

Spite in favor of dragons.

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Originally posted by K1ll3r
Cloud leaps up onto Alex, attempting to eat him and starts smashing it's head, Alex twists around and flies up, Cloud runs around, jumping to keep balanced on the dragon while continualling hitting it...ect etc etc.

Deathwing come at them at a speed of miles per second, slamming both of them, breaking Alexstrasza as well as Cloud. Nozdormu who predicted this move appear behind them at at least as astonishing speed and grab Cloud before he has had a chance to realize Deathwing cared nothing for Alexstrasza, Nozdormu then crushing him in his paw.

Deathwing and Nozdormu would not hesitate to use their own comrades as weapons, if it is necessary. Should Cloud stay on one target long enough, which he would be required to, Deathwing would simply take advantage of that. Only if it benefits him, however. He would not slam a fellow dragon if it did not give him or Nozdormu a chance to end everything.

Do you think these dragons are big, fat, slowpokes? Deathwing fly faster than human possible to read, as shown in Day of the Dragon.

You seem to forget that while it is strictly physical, Nozdormu can still see the future and Deathwing is still covered in adamantium. Even should Cloud beat the other three dragons, it would be impossible for him to beat those two. Deathwing is smarter than Cloud and Nozdormu knows what Cloud will do before Cloud himself knows it.

Whos that? that robot who can steal powers with the power of hawkgirl? (wings and mace)

AMAZO, or Proffesor Ivo's Android. A nanotechnology robot from Justice League with the power to copy others powers. What it is, is beside the point though. My point in showing it, is that an advantage (Physical or otherwise) only gets you so far if your opponent can take it.
This guy hit Flash, not by speed, but by predicting his course of running (And AMAZO doesn't have future sight). My point in showing, is that Cloud's superior speed will not win him this battle. Not when the dragons can take his hits like it is nothing.

Originally posted by Rapidash
Blarg

Yeah, I think they are big fat slowpokes. 😆

Seriously Cloud has excellent combat situational awareness, do you really think Cloud wouldn't notice Deathwing about to smash Alex? He can see much smaller beings and objects moving at insane speeds such as bullets, Loz and Sephiroth and react to them. Deathwing is not smarter then Cloud in this form of combat.

No I didn't seem to forget that.

But he can swing his sword fast and with a lot of strength, moving off of dragons all the time. Using his agility, swordsmanship and strength Cloud could win this.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
*sigh* Why would he need to hide?

Deathwing attempts to bodyslam Cloud, Cloud leaps out of the way into Nozdormu, Nozdormu attempts to swipe at him Cloud blocks and lands a fair way away, Cloud leaps up onto Alex, attempting to eat him and starts smashing it's head, Alex twists around and flies up, Cloud runs around, jumping to keep balanced on the dragon while continualling hitting it...ect etc etc.

Yes, I think that. Obviously I don't know anything about these dragons 'cause I haven't played any Warcraft game or have all the Warcraft books.
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Because that is the only way he is going to survive in the long run. It's quite simpel really.

LoL, first of Deathwing won't attempt to bodyslam his opponent, but given you comment below I'm not surprised that is the best you could come up with. He will try and grap him instead, and since Nozdormu know every single move Cloud is going to make before he makes it, Cloud can't in any way do what you suggest, Nozdormu would inform his fellow aspects the moment Cloud moves in what way they shall attack him in order to Cloud to die within 5 seconds. Beating a guy that know every move you make before you yourself know it is kinda hard to hurt.

To think that Cloud can win against them, supports your statement 🙂

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I see you have no counterpoint to my argument. 😉

Also, for all his insane reaction time, cloud /does/ get shot in A.C.

Seeing as he doesn't have eyes on the back of his head. haermm

Actually, Cloud got shot in the face, so having eyes in the back of his head wouldn't help his situation at all.

I thought he was referring to when he got shot from behind after the battle with Sephiroth.

But that is a similar example, since he was plagued with geostigma and could barely even move his arm as result, so unless Cloud is plagued with geostigma in a fight..(not implying he wins here nevertheless)

Edit: In other words, in a PIS (plot induced stupidity)-induced situation such as where Cloud is plagued by geostigma, if it acts on him enough, a 6 year old could beat him up.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Actually, Cloud got shot in the face, so having eyes in the back of his head wouldn't help his situation at all.

He saw it coming.

Cloud had his eyes closed when he got shot through the lung area...it only took him a few seconds to recover he had also been stabbed around nine times and he was still alive.

Just sayin'

Originally posted by K1ll3r
He saw it coming.

Cloud had his eyes closed when he got shot through the lung area...it only took him a few seconds to recover he had also been stabbed around nine times and he was still alive.

Just sayin'

Having been stabbed and shot makes him not as impressive as first implied to be. You now trying to lift out his regeneration and durability will not help Cloud, since against these, those durability feat count for nothing.

Like I said, just sayin.

IMO Cloud could take out 2-3 of these dragons before he would get taken down.

If the dragons could only be and do physical things (for example couldn't go ethereal or see the future) and if Cloud could use limit breaks then Cloud would probs win.

I bet if we mathed the velocity of which most of these dragons may move, then take their weight and strength into account we could find out how many PSI they could land a hit with. I am confident that combined with their size and weight, and the fact they have attacked eachother before (deathwing anyway) their bodies could prob take Clouds strikes quite easily without much damage.

Malygos tanked the full power of the Demon Soul without actual injury, the same power that wiped the invading Burning Legion army and the entire Blue flight.

Exactly, then the chances are Cloud will not even be able to damage most here anyway. But we all know this was spite 😛

It was not intended as spite, but the more I read about Cloud's arguments, the less confident I got about him having a chance.

Demon Soul is magical though not physical.

Malygos would have a lot of magical resistance.

There is next to always physical involvement in magical impacts. At least in Warcraft.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
He saw it coming.

Cloud had his eyes closed when he got shot through the lung area...it only took him a few seconds to recover he had also been stabbed around nine times and he was still alive.

Just sayin'

So, he saw it coming, and decided taking a bullet in the eye was the best course of action?
Yeah, wasn't he laying in the lifesteam/healing water stuff when he recovered? I dont think that this is a recovery feat.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
So, he saw it coming, and decided taking a bullet in the eye was the best course of action?
Yeah, wasn't he laying in the lifesteam/healing water stuff when he recovered? I dont think that this is a recovery feat.

Hell, I am willing to say he took it in the eye as his eye was perfectly fine the very next millisecond. The truth is the bullet hit the goggles he was wearing (whether this is because Yazoo didn't actually want to kill Cloud (Zack survived a bullet to the face) or if Cloud actively blocked the bullet with his goggles I don't know), although he did heal from that damage almost straight away.

No that was after he was blown up in a massive explosion on top of everything else.

Question: are the bullets fired from the gunblades in ACC physical or magical in nature? I ask because of the scene at the end, you see Loz and Yazoo with an arm full of materia blasting away. Your opinion?