Originally posted by galactusischereThat's not exactly the same thing. If this were as easy as you think why didn't he reform or heal himself up against dp Tyrant?
Why can't he? He is the very power of the cosmoes. He can reform his tech with absolute ease.and Galactus wasn't exactly fed when big T&A ambushed him
Originally posted by quanchi112
Galactus has been taken out by T and A. Right there comparing Odin's showing against the entire 4th host makes this loss look pretty pathetic in comparison.Ok, even if his durability is similar he is still losing some limbs. how does he counter this?
And the point with that piece of information is...? The only problem you have Quanchi is that the Destroyer never fought the combined might of the 4th host, sure they oneshotted it at the end, but the battle leading up to that ending was done by, as I view the scans, two Celestials attacking it and they where damaging it, while the only thing that the Destroyer could utilize with effect was the Odin Sword, that Arishem melted like a piece of junk in the end. I can also tell that we doesn't have the same view on how dangerous/powerful Tenebrous and Aegis actually is.
Beside the fact that he is basically energy... the same way as already mentioned. Since he is capable of basically willing his body together after destruction, I honestly can't imagine having a arm cut of is going to ruin his day. But ofcause it depends on what you see Galactus as, a being of flesh and blood or, like myself, a semi abstrabt being with no real physical form.
Originally posted by MindsetThanos wanted to be near death and realized this was all in the best interest for everyone. Drax' self esteem suffered for years being the failure he is. Thanos knew the only way drax could beat him was to turn his back and let him do so.
Galactus wanted to be captured in Annihilation so Thanos could be killed by Drax, Quan.
Originally posted by UtrigitaThey didn't oneshot it by any means. It took combined blasts at the end to slag it. if Three characters attack you from all sides that's not a oneshot anyways.
And the point with that piece of information is...? The only problem you have Quanchi is that the Destroyer never fought the combined might of the 4th host, sure they oneshotted it at the end, but the battle leading up to that ending was done by, as I view the scans, two Celestials attacking it and they where damaging it, while the only thing that the Destroyer could utilize with effect was the Odin Sword, that Arishem melted like a piece of junk in the end. I can also tell that we doesn't have the same view on how dangerous/powerful Tenebrous and Aegis actually is.Beside the fact that he is basically energy... the same way as already mentioned. Since he is capable of basically willing his body together after destruction, I honestly can't imagine having a arm cut of is going to ruin his day. But ofcause it depends on what you see Galactus as, a being of flesh and blood or, like myself, a semi abstrabt being with no real physical form.
Tyrant shure had him dead to rights when he started bleeding. Pretending Galactus can reform like a celestial isn't the same thing as him actually showing the ability to do so.
Originally posted by Utrigita
And the point with that piece of information is...? The only problem you have Quanchi is that the Destroyer never fought the combined might of the 4th host, sure they oneshotted it at the end, but the battle leading up to that ending was done by, as I view the scans, two Celestials attacking it and they where damaging it, while the only thing that the Destroyer could utilize with effect was the Odin Sword, that Arishem melted like a piece of junk in the end. I can also tell that we doesn't have the same view on how dangerous/powerful Tenebrous and Aegis actually is.Beside the fact that he is basically energy... the same way as already mentioned. Since he is capable of basically willing his body together after destruction, I honestly can't imagine having a arm cut of is going to ruin his day. But ofcause it depends on what you see Galactus as, a being of flesh and blood or, like myself, a semi abstrabt being with no real physical form.
The destroyer was able to defend itself from just 1 celestrial the Odinsword and the Odinfroce blast"i think it was not the visor hit" was able to match the celestrial blast and it was able to fight a 3rd celestrial while 2 others were blasting it. Iam not saying the destoryer would win agaisnt a single celestrial or against a well fed galactus but it would be walk in the park like some people make it too be. a weaken Galactus has been harmed by high herald before. So the destroyer at this point was way over the skyfather range and should be able to give galactus a hard fight for Big g to gain a win.
I see what you mean about Odin wearing the armor instead of the odin destroyer i was leaning toard the odin destroyer due to the fact that odin just wearing the armor would be a huge mismatch but then again OP is well ...... enough said
Originally posted by quanchi112
They didn't oneshot it by any means. It took combined blasts at the end to slag it. if Three characters attack you from all sides that's not a oneshot anyways.Tyrant shure had him dead to rights when he started bleeding. Pretending Galactus can reform like a celestial isn't the same thing as him actually showing the ability to do so.
My point more is that you are trying to make Odin's attack on the fourth Celestial host look like it was a great archivement, while all the writer from my point of view really wanted to point out is that Odin with all his preparation, power etc was powerless against the Celestials. They could most likely have destroyed the destroyer the moment it arrived if Arishem hadn't wished to analyse it. As things stand, from my perspective, we have the Destroyer getting damaged and immobilised by 2 Celestials, can Galactus duplicate that effect? imo yes, iyo no. The end.
And Reeds device had him leaking energy when Vision attached a drill of some kind. (gotta hate Reeds devices at times) I'm not pretending that Galactus can reform, he has done so in Infinity War part 4 iirc.
Originally posted by UtrigitaYes, due to their abuilities such as reforming. He was also taking on the entire host which is completely different than taking on Galactus.
My point more is that you are trying to make Odin's attack on the fourth Celestial host look like it was a great archivement, while all the writer from my point of view really wanted to point out is that Odin with all his preparation, power etc was powerless against the Celestials. They could most likely have destroyed the destroyer the moment it arrived if Arishem hadn't wished to analyse it. As things stand, from my perspective, we have the Destroyer getting damaged and immobilised by 2 Celestials, can Galactus duplicate that effect? imo yes, iyo no. The end.And Reeds device had him leaking energy when Vision attached a drill of some kind. (gotta hate Reeds devices at times) I'm not pretending that Galactus can reform, he has done so in Infinity War part 4 iirc.
You already admitted Galactus' durability is comparable so Galactus is losing limbs here. He won't be getting blasted from all sides.
He has also been injured by far less(godblast, tyrant attacks), etc.
Originally posted by MindsetWhich really didn't even phase the Celestial. It was inside his brain so to speak as well and was so powerful it destroyed his reinforced hammer. Galactus went off fearful for his life.
Godblast injured a celestial too.Also, wasn't Galactus hungry?
Yes. See Tyrant example.
Originally posted by galactusischereSee Tenebrous and Aegis example or the tyrant example. These threats paled in comparison to the 4th host of the celestials.
That was Galactus' 4th/5th appearence I think. Galactus at the time was still skyfather/elder god level being. and he was extremely weak and exhausted at that.
Originally posted by DarkOdin
The destroyer was able to defend itself from just 1 celestrial the Odinsword and the Odinfroce blast"i think it was not the visor hit" was able to match the celestrial blast and it was able to fight a 3rd celestrial while 2 others were blasting it. Iam not saying the destoryer would win agaisnt a single celestrial or against a well fed galactus but it would be walk in the park like some people make it too be. a weaken Galactus has been harmed by high herald before. So the destroyer at this point was way over the skyfather range and should be able to give galactus a hard fight for Big g to gain a win.I see what you mean about Odin wearing the armor instead of the odin destroyer i was leaning toard the odin destroyer due to the fact that odin just wearing the armor would be a huge mismatch but then again OP is well ...... enough said
We have slightly different memory on what happened then. As I recall it first the Celestials blast the unimind, it's down then the Destroyer cuts of a arm, that regrows, while the arm regrows, the destroyer fires it Disintegration Blast which gets deflected, it then gets thrown back by the assault from two Celestials, and I recall the comment "Forced to fight as a wounded beast" or something like that. That was from two energy blasts. It then deflects two other energy blasts with it's sword, and Ziran graps the arm, and again the destroyer receives two blasts (possibly three can't recall), and it's down. This is as I remember the battle so all in all it received around 5 blasts and was down? It's not that it isn't impressive what it accomplished, I'm just finding it hard to believe with this memory that Galactus is incapable of firing 4-5 energy blast in relative rapid session. With that said I agree completely with you DarkOdin, the fight isn't going to be a walk in the park (I like working in 1 fight if possible) but I just without even taking in alternate reality find it to say the least difficult for the Destroyer to win. Especially since this in a non jobbing scenario.
Glad to know that I isn't alone, and agreed the other would be a huge mismatch. My Fanboy side tells me this is too 😛
Originally posted by quanchi112It really didn't hurt Galactus iirc, it just drove him off.
Which really didn't even phase the Celestial. It was inside his brain so to speak as well and was so powerful it destroyed his reinforced hammer. Galactus went off fearful for his life.Yes. See Tyrant example.
But I'm not gonna go looking for the scan, so you'll just have to believe me.
Seeing as I am your favorite poster, I'm sure you will.
Originally posted by MindsetHe feared he was going to lose his life. Thor hurt Galactus with a hammer blow so saying the godblast didn't hurt him is asinine.
It really didn't hurt Galactus iirc, it just drove him off.But I'm not gonna go looking for the scan, so you'll just have to believe me.
Seeing as I am your favorite poster, I'm sure you will.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, due to their abuilities such as reforming. He was also taking on the entire host which is completely different than taking on Galactus.You already admitted Galactus' durability is comparable so Galactus is losing limbs here. He won't be getting blasted from all sides.
He has also been injured by far less(godblast, tyrant attacks), etc.
You do realise that the Celestials could just have kept their distance with well teleportation? I agree that there is a great difference on taking on Galactus and the fourth Host, the difference also is that Galactus will probably try and avoid the sword unlike the celestials, knowing what it can do (basic rules of knowlegde on opponent) and could imo like Ziran forcefully remove it, or melt it like Arishem did if he gets a hold on it.
I haven't denied that he would have I? I have however also mentioned a comic in which Galactus reformed himself from total destruction.
To claim that the destroyer was blasted from all sides is iirc a gross exaggeration seen as it before it was reduced to slag only toke one hit in the back iirc. The rest was direct on the torso from the front.
And have taken far more. (planetary collosions while weak, combined attack from 5 CCU, Supernova, hammerblow while flying delivered from from BRB, both the hammer blow and flying the hammer was shown shattering a planet earlier in the run and it pressed back a blast from Galactus all combined gave him a small crack, roughly the same result as Thor had against Exitar if memory serves) etc
Originally posted by UtrigitaGalactus gets hit all the time. Acting like he could avoid Odin when he's been blasted hit by the Surfer, Tyrant, Thanos, Tenebrous and Aegis, etc. is what you want to believe but it's not in character.
You do realise that the Celestials could just have kept their distance with well teleportation? I agree that there is a great difference on taking on Galactus and the fourth Host, the difference also is that Galactus will probably try and avoid the sword unlike the celestials, knowing what it can do (basic rules of knowlegde on opponent) and could imo like Ziran forcefully remove it, or melt it like Arishem did if he gets a hold on it.I haven't denied that he would have I? I have however also mentioned a comic in which Galactus reformed himself from total destruction.
To claim that the destroyer was blasted from all sides is iirc a gross exaggeration seen as it before it was reduced to slag only toke one hit in the back iirc. The rest was direct on the torso from the front.
And have taken far more. (planetary collosions while weak, combined attack from 5 CCU, Supernova, hammerblow while flying delivered from from BRB, both the hammer blow and flying the hammer was shown shattering a planet earlier in the run and it pressed back a blast from Galactus all combined gave him a small crack, roughly the same result as Thor had against Exitar if memory serves) etc
Thor had the belt of strength on if memory serves me correct when he breached into his cranium. Exitar let him because his power level is so above Thor it's not like he could seriously jeopardize their experiments.
Thor hurt Galactus with one blow before, a hammer strike.
The Celestials were all around Odin which makes this scenario completely different.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He feared he was going to lose his life. Thor hurt Galactus with a hammer blow so saying the godblast didn't hurt him is asinine.
The Galactus that had to rely on tech to utilize his attacks against Ego? Quick question: When have you last seen Galactus needing tech in order to attack a foe of his own calibre? Not very recently I believe, but I could be wrong.
The point of this? Merely to show that we, at that point of time, in 1967 was dealing with a Galactus that was badly defined, that was his as mentioned fourth showing I believe. Should I continue to gauge a persons performance against a given source based on his fourth showing, where he was also weak? That seems very strange, to me atleast.
Originally posted by UtrigitaWhat?
The Galactus that had to rely on tech to utilize his attacks against Ego? Quick question: When have you last seen Galactus needing tech in order to attack a foe of his own calibre? Not very recently I believe, but I could be wrong.The point of this? Merely to show that we, at that point of time, in 1967 was dealing with a Galactus that was badly defined, that was his as mentioned fourth showing I believe. Should I continue to gauge a persons performance against a given source based on his fourth showing, where he was also weak? That seems very strange, to me atleast.
Showings vary from writer to writer.
it's still a legitimate showing and I have provided other examples where he wasn't hungry.
My point is when Odin cuts him limbs are coming off.
Odin wins this thread.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Galactus gets hit all the time. Acting like he could avoid Odin when he's been blasted hit by the Surfer, Tyrant, Thanos, Tenebrous and Aegis, etc. is what you want to believe but it's not in character.Thor had the belt of strength on if memory serves me correct when he breached into his cranium. Exitar let him because his power level is so above Thor it's not like he could seriously jeopardize their experiments.
Thor hurt Galactus with one blow before, a hammer strike.
The Celestials were all around Odin which makes this scenario completely different.
Lets see, Surfer blasts no damage at all, Tyrant blasts no damage at all, Thanos only enraged and very close up, Tenebrous and Aegis fired energy blasts. What you are forgetting Quanchi is that the majority of those examples utilizes energy blast against Galactus and that most of them have little effect and Galactus knows it. the Destroyers way of fighting isn't exactly with Energy Blasts but with it's sword. Now Galactus has shown that he can dodge the blasts from a distance so I'm confident that he won't be interested in getting hit by a sword (and the destroyer still have to get close) that he knows can cut of his limbs, because regeneration/reforming them while take away energy.
Yet the blow was said to be capable of breaking a planet iirc, so basically half of the damage that BRB's in theory should produce when hitting Galactus and it's still sufficiant, because either way it's still enough since the Destroyer never punched with more power then that which can destroy a planet and Galactus can take that.
He made him momentarily feel pain that was it. You feel pain momentarily pain too when a mosquito sting you.
Which in no way change the circumstances concerning the fight that the Destroyer had with the Celestial seeing as they was constantly (except maybe once) blasting him from the front, so he could see their attacks coming towards him, he also dodge one and deflected two others iirc, so while they had him surrounded they didn't use it against him.