so is goku dont forget about him...i mean the fights with kid buu, baby, and the shenrons are just ridiculous...ive watched pyron fights and hes powerful too and all but goku to me is just the greatest and ill prove it with facts...DS is just very difficult to kill but goku can hold his own against him until he found a way to defeat him
Originally posted by DBZDefender😬 Freeza started a chain reaction. Kid Buu is on a whole different scale than Freeza and his blast was purely planetary, which neither Gokou nor Vegeta could stop.
Goku cannot be a planet buster since frieza blew up a planet in her base form and Goku at SS4 is in a whole other scale of power compared to frieza...and when has it"Gotanks a character of who is much slower then Goku travels the distance around the world (24,859.82 miles) many times within 4 sec and light is able to travel around the planet about 9 times per second. If Gotanks a much lesser character is able to travel the planet 1/9 light speed, before the discovery of SS4 in DBGT Goku is highly likely to be able to travel faster than the illogical speed of light"
this quote is evidence that goku is in fact faster than light
now tell me how DS is more powerful?
😐 Where the heck did you even get that quote....Gotenks for one is stronger than Gokou, which automatically makes him faster. Second Gotenks travels the planet 'a few dozen times' according to himself all in the manner of 29 minutes. Then takes a minute to get to Fat Buu's house from where he ran from Piccolo. Nowhere close to light.
I've already said I only know what I've heard about DS. Who if Phoenix is right is able to destroy a universe. Which puts him able to kill Gokou with any stray blast. DS is faster than light, which puts him faster than Gokou can hope to react. And he has energy nullifying fields which leaves Gokou pretty much useless even if he could hope to hurt DS.
Originally posted by BloodRainBecause that's so useful in a fight...besides running away. It doesn't up his actual speed..
Not sure whats going on but just wanted to add to ^ that Goku can just use instant transmission. Faster then light 😐
IT is useful in a fight just watch when goku fights kid buu he uses it to get behind him and it doesnt even seem like it took him long at all to put his two fingers on his forehead...
now gotenks SS3 is not atronger than Goku SS3 because only Mystic Gohan is stronger than SS3 Goku
if im wrong then show me some proof
Originally posted by DBZDefenderHe is fighting people in his speed range of course it works.
IT is useful in a fight just watch when goku fights kid buu he uses it to get behind him and it doesnt even seem like it took him long at all to put his two fingers on his forehead...now gotenks SS3 is not atronger than Goku SS3 because only Mystic Gohan is stronger than SS3 Goku
if im wrong then show me some proof
Gokou at ssj3 was never stronger than Super Buu...
Originally posted by DBZDefenderUm..twice as fast would never make ssj4 Gokou close to light speed. Gotenks at his best was calculated at like 1% of Light speed..
and also even if gotenks is stronger than SS3 goku what about SS4 goku...in this case SS4 Goku would be twice as fast as SS3 gotenks making him indeed faster than light
Originally posted by DBZDefenderAkira was somewhat associated with the anime, and with the new OVA. But none of them are canon either. Even then nothing in GT helps the case at all.
how is GT non canon when it is indeed an anime that akira was associated in somewayanyway guys its been fun but i have to leave for now so ill be back to continue this later
Originally posted by Kento
Don't really see why it would be as Vegeta was never once known to have a brother. Not to mention it screws up Goten and Trunks power level.
That's like saying "the buu arc is non canon, because there was never shown to be any magical pink beings before that".
The thing was totally written by Toriyama, every bit of it, so I don't see why it would be non-canon.
okay im bak...
goku is more durable than you guys think since he pushes back energy sphere attacks that are pure condensed energy the size of planets such as numerous death balls...also, goku SS3 once did a normal one handed energy wave that he lauched at the ground later coming out the other side of the planet...goku shows weakness in str when he hasent ate or when he fights numerous battles in a row such as the battles with super buu until he finally had to fight kid buu...
You guys are failing to see how strong goku really is
Originally posted by King KandyExcept, There has been more to the story after that. It was just one off OVA. Akira did Neko Majin but not going to say Freeza had a son or anything either. It was also said plenty of times only 4 saiyans ever survived. By Vegeta himself. Having new villains appear has nothing to do with suddenly having new saiyans appear.
Yeah, Vegeta was never shown to have a brother... UP UNTIL THE OVA!That's like saying "the buu arc is non canon, because there was never shown to be any magical pink beings before that".
The thing was totally written by Toriyama, every bit of it, so I don't see why it would be non-canon.
Originally posted by DBZDefenderI think you're confusing Buu and Gohan's fight with something Gokou didn't do.
okay im bak...goku is more durable than you guys think since he pushes back energy sphere attacks that are pure condensed energy the size of planets such as numerous death balls...also, goku SS3 once did a normal one handed energy wave that he lauched at the ground later coming out the other side of the planet...goku shows weakness in str when he hasent ate or when he fights numerous battles in a row such as the battles with super buu until he finally had to fight kid buu...
You guys are failing to see how strong goku really is
Gokou never fought numerous battles in the Buu Saga. He doesn't fight Super Buu, well 'cept in the anime, besides when he's fused with Vegeta.
Originally posted by DBZDefender
okay im bak...goku is more durable than you guys think since he pushes back energy sphere attacks that are pure condensed energy the size of planets such as numerous death balls...also, goku SS3 once did a normal one handed energy wave that he lauched at the ground later coming out the other side of the planet...goku shows weakness in str when he hasent ate or when he fights numerous battles in a row such as the battles with super buu until he finally had to fight kid buu...
You guys are failing to see how strong goku really is
Goku doesn't stand a chance. I've said it before, he doesn't have the ability to truly defeat DS.
We're not underestimating Goku's power, you are severely underestimating DS and Pyron. Not to mention, you are overrating Goku if you think he can handle DS and Pyron.
If you want to know more about DS, here is his respect thread.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=460211&pagenumber=1