Kain, Kratos, Dante, Link & Sephiroth's Warcraft dragon gauntlet

pretty much.

It is pretty much impossible to defeat a Nozdormu not bound by personality. KMC threads with him should not exist 😛

If they do exist he should be limited to shown feats that do not involve freezing opponents completly in time or creating sandstorms that can disintegrate them.

It is directly stated that he can undo his own death as well. Might want to exclude that ability.

I thought him dieing was supposed to be part of the Pantheons trick of making sure he does not become "too" arrogent. Why would he then be able to reverse his own death? also I thought Nozdormu was supposed to work against Paradoxes? would he not create one if he died, resurrected himself only to negate the reason for resurrecting himself because he never died.

He is able to reverse his own death, but he is not able to avoid his fate. Only the Pantheon and Nozdormu knows what his fate is. And Nozdormu dying is more dangerous to time and space than him not doing so. If Nozdormu dies, the War of the Ancients might still happen and should it do, reality would cease.

Nozdormu can not afford to die. There is too much work to be done.

What claims he can reverse his own death?

But still his fate is eventually to die, Aman'Thul gave him that knowledge so the only time he should have a way of reviving himself is if in his own timeline he dies when he is not meant to.

The RPG rulebook. He is fightable there.

Exactly. Nozdormu is a strange character, but he has the ability to keep himself from death long enough for him to die.

I see.

Then technically its not a debatable argument, since we do not know when Nozdormu would die, also in a debate he is not part of the Warcraft time span therefore his fate would be irrelevent as he is not part of Warcraft while in a debate (unless OP specifies he is in Warcraft)

Devoid of the protection the rules of his timeline and fate gives him, he should be able to be technically killed. Although I still wonder how he escapes a paradox he himself creates by reviving himself, me thinks its a gameplay mechanic for the RPG.

We are not using his fated death as an argument in versus. That is quite fallacious. What we are using, is his ability to see his own death and prevent it according to the RPG rulebook.

We all know that Nozdormu's death is coming to him. In a versus however, we can not involve fate mechanics. All we have to rely on is his powers. It is specificly stated that he is able to undo his own death, into an outcome more to his liking.

Whatever fate holds for Nozdormu, it must be damn nasty when we know he is able to undo death but at the same time know that he WILL die.

What you need to remember, is that Nozdorm exist at multiple places at once. He can see his death with his own eyes, basically, since he observe the time lines while traveling them in seperate forms.

Well he may be able to prevent it by seeing it, afterall he does see through timelines. Although this is a difficut subject to discuss as he sees Warcrafts timelines, if he is in a place thats not Warcraft, can he see the timeline of that place or perhaps he will be blind to events? maybe he will still be observing the timeline of Warcraft, yet because he is not within it, he will not see anything worthy of noting in his fights.

That is the same debating technique as claiming Warcraft can not use magic in a versus unless the battle is specified to take place in that universe. Magicians summon magic through the Twisting Nether. A realm that does not exist outside Warcraft.

Claiming Nozdormu's power reduce on a neutral battlefield is the same thing.

Originally posted by Rapidash
That is the same debating technique as claiming Warcraft can not use magic in a versus unless the battle is specified to take place in that universe. Magicians summon magic through the Twisting Nether. A realm that does not exist outside Warcraft.

Claiming Nozdormu's power reduce on a neutral battlefield is the same thing.

Not sure about that since technically all characers take their powers from an outside source, i think its fair to assume they can use all their powers the same way they woud be able to use them in their own universe, what I am wondering is that do the rules of another universe also impact the characters in the VS even if their not part of that universe or if that universe is not part of the setting. I am not saying Noz loses power, simply loses aspects of said power.

Although technically his power is not being reduced, its the same, its just in practice his power may not be useful in such a sitation.

I think in this thread, characters can beat him if hes only allowed to "dust" one of them. If he cant use time freeze as well, it means he has few other powers available since those are his big unfair abilities that I have heard about anyway. I thought Q's intensions of the Noz fight were based around time powers being nullified as well as speeds, making the team have to fight on his terms but not with all his power.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Not sure about that since technically all characers take their powers from an outside source, i think its fair to assume they can use all their powers the same way they woud be able to use them in their own universe, what I am wondering is that do the rules of another universe also impact the characters in the VS even if their not part of that universe or if that universe is not part of the setting. I am not saying Noz loses power, simply loses aspects of said power.

Although technically his power is not being reduced, its the same, its just in practice his power may not be useful in such a sitation.

I think in this thread, characters can beat him if hes only allowed to "dust" one of them. If he cant use time freeze as well, it means he has few other powers available since those are his big unfair abilities that I have heard about anyway. I thought Q's intensions of the Noz fight were based around time powers being nullified as well as speeds, making the team have to fight on his terms but not with all his power.

Well, if Noz's powers work the same as in Warcraft universe, he would instantly become attuned to the new "universe's" timelines and see what was, is, and will be. Although I do understand how this can come in conflict with another universe's rules.

Is it possible for him to become "attuned" to a new timeline in another excistence? probably does not have a feat but it may be implied or there may be a logical explanation.

That is the primary problem. Seperate universes have seperate rules. Warcraft mages would not be able to cast spells without Twisting Nether if they were put in for example the Warhammer universe. Much like how Kain would not be the Sion of Balance in another universe, or how a Jedi would not be able to use the Force.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
It's not that. Its because team one has been potently nerfed to be unable to stomp.

For example, we know that the Master Sword prevents enemies from transforming Link against his will (in this case, dust). But, the rules of this thread allow the dragons to bypass these normal defenses.

Although, I think full power HoT solos this thread. Too bad he isn't a character...

Originally posted by ares834

Hell no. No way in hell unless he has the trueforce.

The "Trueforce" didn't save Ganon from being sealed in the Dark World by the Knights of Hyrule and 7 wise men.

Apparently it didnt allow him to take over the world once he had turned the sacred realm into the dark one either. He still needed 10 bags of crisps and a few kegs of beer to bribe everyone into submission.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
The "Trueforce" didn't save Ganon from being sealed in the Dark World by the Knights of Hyrule and 7 wise men.