Mystic Gohan vs. SSJ4 Goku

Started by Merlyn3 pages

Mystic Gohan vs. SSJ4 Goku

Akira Toriyama stated that Mystic Gohan was the most powerful unfused character in the DBZ manga. Having said that, how would he stack up to his father as a SSJ4?

DBZ manga, and GT is non canon

But if we count GT, then SSJ4 Goku wins.

DBZ manga isn't canon? Wut? 🤨

Anyhow, I know Gohan was above SSJ3 Goku. I honestly thought he was on the cusp of SSJ4 power..

At the time yeah Gohan was the strongest. But just how he was the strongest at the Cell saga and later overthrown by Goku it easy t say that the same happened from the Buu saga to the final battle. Another fact is that during said time Gohan went into studies while Earth's protector was training much much more.

Side note, in the movie 'Wrath of the Dragon' Mystic Gohan fails to handle the enemy while SSJ3 Goku does it with one hand behind his back. Don't know or care if you all count this as cannon but it still highlights my earlier point.

Movies are PIS filled non-canon examples which shouldn't be used for serious character discussions.

Originally posted by BloodRain
At the time yeah Gohan was the strongest. But just how he was the strongest at the Cell saga and later overthrown by Goku it easy t say that the same happened from the Buu saga to the final battle. Another fact is that during said time Gohan went into studies while Earth's protector was training much much more.

Side note, in the movie 'Wrath of the Dragon' Mystic Gohan fails to handle the enemy while SSJ3 Goku does it with one hand behind his back. Don't know or care if you all count this as cannon but it still highlights my earlier point.

I intended this to be Mystic Gohan at his best (ie. when he came back to earth from the Kai planet and dominated Super Buu.)

Imo they'd be near-equals, with the slight edge to Goku.

Unless his powers decreased by GT (highly doubtful) then his strength would stay the same. Also Mystic Gohan is alot stronger then SSJ3 Goku but as seen in GT fights is nothing compared to 4. And GT is so much stronger then when fighting buu as he was able to beat a stronger Freeza and Cell in base form. I'll even go far enough to say EndGT Goku SSJ1 or 2 can beat buu.

gohan wins because he is canon and ssj4 is not

akira himself helped design the concept of SS4...he was in on it but i guess people still say its non canon...oh well

Originally posted by DBZDefender
akira himself helped design the concept of SS4...he was in on it but i guess people still say its non canon...oh well

the broly concept was created by akira but he ismt canon either because he didnt create the character's backstory nor did he write the movie. GT is not canon because one it sucked and 2 because he didnt write the story. All toriyama had to do with the characters is how they would look

Originally posted by Merlyn
Akira Toriyama stated that Mystic Gohan was the most powerful unfused character in the DBZ manga. Having said that, how would he stack up to his father as a SSJ4?

Even though there is a great difference in the strength levels between Mystic Gohan and SS3 Goku, IMO, the strength difference between SS3 Goku and SS4 Goku is even greater.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Even though there is a great difference in the strength levels between Mystic Gohan and SS3 Goku, IMO, the strength difference between SS3 Goku and SS4 Goku is even greater.

yea thats like making vegeta from the saiyan saga fight ssj goku

Originally posted by yungz22
GT is not canon because one it sucked and 2 because he didnt write the story.

Although I agree that GT sucked, that had nothing to do with it not being canon.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Even though there is a great difference in the strength levels between Mystic Gohan and SS3 Goku, IMO, the strength difference between SS3 Goku and SS4 Goku is even greater.

I agree.

Except, the difference between SSJ3 Goku and Mystic Gohan is not very big at all: in fact, they are almost the same. When Buu Gets serious, he kicks Gohan's ass just the same as Goku's, except, I think a couple of times, Goku got some hits in on a serious that version of Buu...making the argument that SSJ3 Goku is faster than Mystic Gohan (in the anime, only). I'd say the difference is the difference between Goku and Perfect Cell when they fought each other in the Cell games (Cell was stronger, but not by much)

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Although I agree that GT sucked, that had nothing to do with it not being canon.

i wast serious about that part but it wasnt canon because toritama didnt write it

Originally posted by dadudemon
I agree.

Except, the difference between SSJ3 Goku and Mystic Gohan is not very big at all: in fact, they are almost the same. When Buu Gets serious, he kicks Gohan's ass just the same as Goku's, except, I think a couple of times, Goku got some hits in on a serious that version of Buu...making the argument that SSJ3 Goku is faster than Mystic Gohan (in the anime, only). I'd say the difference is the difference between Goku and Perfect Cell when they fought each other in the Cell games (Cell was stronger, but not by much)

gohan overpowered a stronger buu while i couldnt say the same for fat buu

Originally posted by dadudemon
I agree.

Except, the difference between SSJ3 Goku and Mystic Gohan is not very big at all: in fact, they are almost the same. When Buu Gets serious, he kicks Gohan's ass just the same as Goku's, except, I think a couple of times, Goku got some hits in on a serious that version of Buu...making the argument that SSJ3 Goku is faster than Mystic Gohan (in the anime, only). I'd say the difference is the difference between Goku and Perfect Cell when they fought each other in the Cell games (Cell was stronger, but not by much)

In the manga, SSJ3 Goku essentially told Piccolo that even if he would have continued powering up to his max, he didn't think he could have beaten fat Buu. Other side of the coin, Mystic Gohan made Super Buu (who was a good deal more powerful than fat Buu) look like a weak feeb.

So in my opinion, Mystic Gohan's power was well beyond that of SSJ3 Goku.

Yeah, I think that's fact.