Most Skilled Lightsaber Duelist of the Old Republic Era

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GL said SIdious faked being able to continue. He didn't fake losing the fight, and even if he HAD continued, all factors seem to be for him losing anyway.

Originally posted by truejedi
GL said SIdious faked being able to continue. He didn't fake losing the fight, and even if he HAD continued, all factors seem to be for him losing anyway.

This is more like what I remembered.

Originally posted by truejedi
GL said SIdious faked being able to continue. He didn't fake losing the fight, and even if he HAD continued, all factors seem to be for him losing anyway.

You are correct... SIR!!!

Originally posted by truejedi
GL said SIdious faked being able to continue.

Never said any diffrent. I said he faked losing his powers which is what GL said.
He didn't fake losing the fight, and even if he HAD continued, all factors seem to be for him losing anyway.

How? The Novel clearly states Mace was unable to continue blocking Sidious's lightning.

it says "This was beyond Vaapad; he had no strength left to fight against his own blade."

then Mace says: "Take him. It's your destiny." Skywalker says "Destiny..."
Mace says" Help me! I can't hold him any longer!"
Sidious says "He is killing me, ANakin--! Please Anaaahhhhh"
AAAAAHHHHHH!"

THEN SIDIOUS QUITS

Clearly the quote saying: "Mace couldn't fight against his own blade" is in error. Otherwise it would go "mace had no strength to fight against his own blade, then mace's blade went into his face killing him."

Also, all Mace had to do was step back from the source of the lightning (sidious) and the force on his blade would have decreased exponentially. Mace wasn't going to lose. He might have been forced to allow Sidious his feet. That was all.

Nah. He has no strength anymore to hold his blade in place. The blade is getting pushed up into his face. In fact when Sidious quits it says "Mace's blade bent so close to his face that he was choking on ozone."

Originally posted by truejedi Also, all Mace had to do was step back from the source of the lightning (sidious) and the force on his blade would have decreased exponentially. Mace wasn't going to lose. He might have been forced to allow Sidious his feet. That was all. [/B]

Applying real world physics to the force, or SW in general, simply does not work. Force Lightning =/= Real Lightning.

Originally posted by ares834
Nah. He has no strength anymore to hold his blade in place. The blade is getting pushed up into his face. In fact when Sidious quits it says "Mace's blade bent so close to his face that he was choking on ozone."

nope: Pg. 333, 334

There is a paragraph of dialogue after the "Mace had no strength left" line.

Originally posted by truejedi
nope: Pg. 333, 334

There is a paragraph of dialogue after the "Mace had no strength left" line.


I get what your saying. But the quote means he is no longer able to hold his blade in place thus it is slowly sliping toward his face.

free to your opinion i suppose. The worst thing that could happen here is A. Mace steps back (as i said) and distance does make a difference with force lightning, or else it would never shove someone away.
B. Mace gets hit for a moment by lightning that took many minutes to kill Luke. (and even then, he got up, and back to 100 percent in moments) then recovers and kills sidious

All good cases all end with sidious chopped in half, or falling out a window.

I still can't see a scenario, even if mace were forced to step away from the lightning, where sidious is going to be able to get enough of an advantage to win this fight.

Sidious did not want to kill Luke right away. He wanted Luke to suffer.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Sidious did not want to kill Luke right away. He wanted Luke to suffer.

proof?

Originally posted by truejedi
proof?
Well the fact that Sidious kept pausing and I believe it is in the novel. I'll get back to you on that one.

k. cause just pausing could be construed as weakness.

Well Sidious was able to kill something like 50 stormtroopers at once in one of the comics between ROTS and A New Hope. Stands to reason that he could kill one person instantly if he wanted.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Well Sidious was able to kill something like 50 stormtroopers at once in one of the comics between ROTS and A New Hope. Stands to reason that he could kill one person instantly if he wanted.

Pretty sure Luke and Mace =/= stormtroopers.

Also, Sidious reduced three dark prophets (using one hand) to charred bones.

Sidious was taunting Luke. He wanted to teach him a lesson before killing him. Sidious would pause the attack and say a few lines and then attack again. Cleary he was not going for the kill right away.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Also, Sidious reduced three dark prophets (using one hand) to charred bones.

Sidious was taunting Luke. He wanted to teach him a lesson before killing him. Sidious would pause the attack and say a few lines and then attack again. Cleary he was not going for the kill right away.

This fits in perfectly with RotJ Palpatine. In most other incarnations, he's clever enough to pull off a Xantaos' Gambit (thank you Ven for TV Tropes), but as of RotJ, everything was in the freaking bag for him, and he let his overconfidence and arrogance bring him down. Ewoks, Vader, and in a sense, Luke. If he had killed him outright then Vader likely wouldn't have turned, but he just had to savor his victory over the last Jedi threat.

so circumstantial evidence is what you have then? (since luke wasn't the last jedi threat?)

Not the last Jedi, the last threat they posed. None of the surviving ones had the potential and capacity that Luke did. I doubt very, very much, that Luke, writhing in agony and pleading for his father's assistance, was offering up some sort of mental resistance that was slowing down the lethality of the most powerful Sith Lord's lightning.

Originally posted by truejedi
Pretty sure Luke and Mace =/= stormtroopers.

what does =/= mean? does that mean not equal to?