Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
[B]Okay? The residual energy of an Odin enchanted sword created a dimension complete with it's own Asgardian counterparts, and races.
As I said, feat wise Odin trumps all. But the Mystic Arcana and Marvel Tarot when cataloging the who's who of magic made no mention of anything below Elder God level. Odin and Zeus didn't even rank.
Okay? Is there a reason why that's more impressive than the rainbow bridge?
Rainbow bridge is only Asgard/Earth no? This connects ALL inner and outer planes and makes travel between them and Earth possible. Huge difference.
Unless the items (At least the Serpent Crown) have more to them than meets the eye, I'm not impressed.
Join the club, I thought it was pretty scrubby. But apparently it's not, well according to Marvel Tarot/Mystic Arcana.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympusi dont know if there all equal in power. but i know it took a cosmic cube to destroy Sets serpent crown
From what I remember of the Serpent Crown, it wasn't impressive. Not when dealing with these type of forces.Are all those items equivalent to each other in power? Maybe this is more of a symbolic thing than a statement of power.
Unfortunately, this isn't a topic I'm familiar with.
Originally posted by zopzop
As I said, feat wise Odin trumps all. But the Mystic Arcana and Marvel Tarot when cataloging the who's who of magic made no mention of anything below Elder God level. Odin and Zeus didn't even rank.
Well, that doesn't prove like....anything. I didn't read the miniseries, but wasn't it co-written by Thomas? It's no surprise that the Elder Gods were played up while Skyfathers were ignored.
Originally posted by zopzop
Rainbow bridge is only Asgard/Earth no? This connects ALL inner and outer planes and makes travel between them and Earth possible. Huge difference.
Nah, the Rainbow Bridge allows Asgardians to travel to not only Midgard, and the other worlds in the World Tree, but to other dimensions. I know that's been mentioned at least once. Also, IIRC, the Asgardians used it to travel to the Negative Zone or back once.
Besides, Odin is the one who gave Mjolnir it's space warping enchantment, and we all know how impressive that is.
Originally posted by zopzop
Join the club, I thought it was pretty scrubby. But apparently it's not, well according to .
What did the series say regarding the Crown?
Set resist being destroyed by a cosmic cube, even with the combined will of 4 people the most they could do is banish him.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/51954/1466340-marvel_team_up_annual_1982_39.jpg
that didnt work though. set has since returned twice
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
[B]Well, that doesn't prove like....anything. I didn't read the miniseries, but wasn't it co-written by Thomas? It's no surprise that the Elder Gods were played up while Skyfathers were ignored.
Well they are ELDER gods 😄 Each of them is Billions of years old. They've had epochs to hone their abilities. They've had epochs to gather worshipers and build their power base. They've had epochs to spread their influence across the planes. Set, especially, has been shown coiled around every Earth in the multiverse.
The current crop of gods exist only because Demogorge seeded the biosphere with the energies of the dead Elders and MUCH later these energies + human worshipers molded the new set of gods to what they are now. Unless this has been retconned.
Nah, the Rainbow Bridge allows Asgardians to travel to not only Midgard, and the other worlds in the World Tree, but to other dimensions. I know that's been mentioned at least once. Also, IIRC, the Asgardians used it to travel to the Negative Zone or back once.Besides, Odin is the one who gave Mjolnir it's space warping enchantment, and we all know how impressive that is.
The Crossroads connects everything to Earth and each other. I'll post the scan. It's a lot more than the Rainbow bridge. Plus I think the creator of the Rainbow Bridge was retconned.
What did the series say regarding the Crown?
It's a Cornerstone of Creation. One of four and they govern ALL magic in the universe.
Originally posted by zopzop
Well they are ELDER gods 😄 Each of them is Billions of years old. They've had epochs to hone their abilities. They've had epochs to gather worshipers and build their power base. They've had epochs to spread their influence across the planes. Set, especially, has been shown coiled around every Earth in the multiverse.
You seem to really be focused on age. It doesn't matter nearly as much as you think. Besides, depending on what interpretation you take, Odin's billions of years old too.
Pretty sure that isn't cannon. And if it is, wasn't it more symbolic than anything? It's been a while.
Originally posted by zopzop
The current crop of gods exist only because Demogorge seeded the biosphere with the energies of the dead Elders and MUCH later these energies + human worshipers molded the new set of gods to what they are now. Unless this has been retconned.
Sure, if you go by the origin introduced in the Thomas era. Shit's been ignored for a while. Asgardian's aren't two thousand year old beings created by the minds of man.
We have the origins of Asgardians ranging from Odin creating Earth and/or man, to Thor creating man and modern day Earth. It's come long before the Elder God origin (Kirby days), and has even been mentioned as recently as JMS' run.
Originally posted by zopzop
The Crossroads connects everything to Earth and each other. I'll post the scan. It's a lot more than the Rainbow bridge. Plus I think the creator of the Rainbow Bridge was retconned.
The rainbow bridge connects Asgard to everything else.
When?
Originally posted by zopzop
It's a Cornerstone of Creation. One of four and they govern ALL magic in the universe.
In what way?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
[B]You seem to really be focused on age. It doesn't matter nearly as much as you think. Besides, depending on what interpretation you take, Odin's billions of years old too.Pretty sure that isn't cannon. And if it is, wasn't it more symbolic than anything? It's been a while.
Sure, if you go by the origin introduced in the Thomas era. Shit's been ignored for a while. Asgardian's aren't two thousand year old beings created by the minds of man.
We have the origins of Asgardians ranging from Odin creating Earth and/or man, to Thor creating man and modern day Earth. It's come long before the Elder God origin (Kirby days), and has even been mentioned as recently as JMS' run.
I don't know how recent that is, but if you say so I have no reason to doubt it.
Marvel's own Encyclopedia Mythica, or whatever its' called, that categorizes and explains the history behind all Earth's Pantheons doesn't have Odin creating Earth or humanity. It also lists the Norse Pantheon as 4000 or so years old at the latest. This is official Marvel info.
Not for anything when was it mentioned that Odin is "billions" of years old or he created the Earth or humanity?
The rainbow bridge connects Asgard to everything else.When?
No I meant the Crossroads does. I was saying as of the Marvel Tarot, I think they retconned who created the Rainbow Bridge (it wasn't Odin).
In what way?
It's been 3 or so years but I'll check and post tonight. Quan wanted the scans too.
It was.
Originally posted by zopzop
I don't know how recent that is, but if you say so I have no reason to doubt it.Marvel's own Encyclopedia Mythica, or whatever its' called, that categorizes and explains the history behind all Earth's Pantheons doesn't have Odin creating Earth or humanity. It also lists the Norse Pantheon as 4000 or so years old at the latest. This is official Marvel info.
It's official handbook information. Which means it amounts to shit.
They picked 4000 years out of a hat. I'm pretty sure Enchantress was stated to be older than that like in the 90's.
Originally posted by zopzop
Not for anything when was it mentioned that Odin is "billions" of years old or he created the Earth or humanity?
Most recently? In JMS' run -around a year ago- it showed that Odin created humanity a long time ago.
Besides that, there's Oeming's run around 2004 where it showed Odin and his brothers creating Earth and humanity but that was more mythic.
Originally posted by zopzop
No I meant the Crossroads does. I was saying as of the Marvel Tarot, I think they retconned who created the Rainbow Bridge (it wasn't Odin).
Like I said, the Rainbow bridge connects Asgard to everything else.
What? If Odin didn't create the Rainbow bridge, who did? Thomas himself had Thor create a parallel rainbow bridge with a throw of his hammer in a flashback.
Originally posted by zopzop
It's been 3 or so years but I'll check and post tonight. Quan wanted the scans too.
It'd be appreciated.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It's official handbook information. Which means it amounts to shit.They picked 4000 years out of a hat. I'm pretty sure Enchantress was stated to be older than that like in the 90's.
I think they were trying to tie it into real world traditions. Did you see the encyclopedia? There's a Pantheon respect thread on the forums. Very informative.
Most recently? In JMS' run -around a year ago- it showed that Odin created humanity a long time ago.Besides that, there's Oeming's run around 2004 where it showed Odin and his brothers creating Earth and humanity but that was more mythic.
Hmm. It seems like Marvel is treating Odin as the creator god and ignoring the other skyfathers from rival pantheons. This also seems like a recent development.
IMHO the Demiurge>Elder God>Atum seeding storyline made more sense because it allowed for a semi-rational explanation for the existnece of the various Earth Pantheons. If Odin created the Earth and humanity, then what were the other Skyfathers doing?
What about the Celestials. It's canon that they provided humanity's primate ancestors with the genes needed to evolve into humans/mutants. If that's the case, how could Odin have created humanity? The Celestial storyline hasn't ever been retconned.
Like I said, the Rainbow bridge connects Asgard to everything else.What? If Odin didn't create the Rainbow bridge, who did? Thomas himself had Thor create a parallel rainbow bridge with a throw of his hammer in a flashback.
I'll get the scan. Basically Earth and what became Asgard existed long before Odin. The creator of the Rainbow Bridge existed before Odin and linked proto Asgard and Earth with it.
Originally posted by zopzop
I think they were trying to tie it into real world traditions. Did you see the encyclopedia? There's a Pantheon respect thread on the forums. Very informative.
Why would they do that? Marvel Asgard has very little in common with the Asgardians of our world. Part's of it. Now I'll have to check it out.
Originally posted by zopzop
Hmm. It seems like Marvel is treating Odin as the creator god and ignoring the other skyfathers from rival pantheons. This also seems like a recent development.IMHO the Demiurge>Elder God>Atum seeding storyline made more sense because it allowed for a semi-rational explanation for the existnece of the various Earth Pantheons. If Odin created the Earth and humanity, then what were the other Skyfathers doing?
Odin -or at least Odin through Thor- was credited with the creation of man etc. a long time ago. As far back as the Kirby days as I recall. At least
I hated the Elder God origin. That entire era watered down the Asgardians a great deal.
Originally posted by zopzop
What about the Celestials. It's canon that they provided humanity's primate ancestors with the genes needed to evolve into humans/mutants. If that's the case, how could Odin have created humanity? The Celestial storyline hasn't ever been retconned.
I have absolutely no idea how the Celestials fit into all of this.
Originally posted by zopzop
I'll get the scan. Basically Earth and what became Asgard existed long before Odin. The creator of the Rainbow Bridge existed before Odin and linked proto Asgard and Earth with it.
Lol what the f*ck? Thank god's it's been completely ignored. Was this being at least Bor or Buri?
