Originally posted by BlanketThe "Planck length between moments" doesn't lead me to believe that they left the physical battlefield -- just that they stepped out of sync with the timestream, thus rendering 'normal' time frozen around them. MO as well.
Ares says that he's hiding between time. And their scuffle caused Karla to react to her losing a memory because of it (which means she was able to move as this was going on, so why didn't she just attack Nate who was apparently on the battlefield?), as well as tribes showing worship. Doesn't sound like merely freezing time around themselves.And Nate was showing Mimic his timeline, inside a time bubble that Mimic wasn't allowed to touch, or he could screw with things accidently. Sounds familar to Zoom's powers IMO (only in their own timeline of course). Only difference is that Zoom is 'right there', as opposed to hiding among time.
IMO, it seems as if Ares would be able to see him in real time, but that's just MO.
Although the strategy of Zoom touching him once and accidently inviting Ares in seems like a real possibility.
Don't get me wrong, I think Ares certainly has the potential to see Zoom in real time; so long as he singled out Zoom's time-bubble, as opposed to trying to look for him within the 'normal' timestream (I'm hard-pressed to see that happening as rapidly as it would need to though). And Zoom doesn't have to physically touch Ares to cause damage -- he could, you know, just snap his fingers a bunch of times...
Originally posted by Galan007So, how do you explain Karla losing a memory (as well as reacting to it, and showing her apparently standing around doing nothing), people worshipping their battle, and being able to see Mimic's timeline? As well as Ares saying they're hiding (which also indicates that he was looking for them).
The "Planck length between moments" doesn't lead me to believe that they left the physical battlefield -- just that they stepped out of sync with the timestream, thus rendering 'normal' time frozen around them. MO as well.Don't get me wrong, I think Ares certainly has the potential to see Zoom in real time; so long as he singled out Zoom's time-bubble, as opposed to trying to look for him within the 'normal' timestream (I'm hard-pressed to see that happening as rapidly as it would need to though). And Zoom doesn't have to physically touch Ares to cause damage -- he could, you know, just snap his fingers a bunch of times...
If Ares is apparently war personified on every timeline, you'd think he'd be a master of this manipulating time stuff... or at the very least, someone else's. It doesn't seem like any time based power would work on him really, but of course, that's my opinion.
That's certainly more likely to happen than Zoom throwing a punch...
Originally posted by BlanketTime was stopped around Nate/Ares because they were the ones who stepped outside of time.
So, how do you explain Karla losing a memory (as well as reacting to it, and showing her apparently standing around doing nothing), people worshipping their battle, and being able to see Mimic's timeline? As well as Ares saying they're hiding (which also indicates that he was looking for them).
Doesn't seem like just freezing time to me, anyway.If Ares is apparently war personified on every timeline, you'd think he'd be a master of this manipulating time stuff... or at the very least, someone else's. It doesn't seem like any time based power would work on him really, but of course, that's my opinion.
That's certainly more likely to happen than Zoom throwing a punch...
I agree that pretty much any time manipulation abilities used against Ares should be, for all intents and purposes, negated. However, the single showing Ares has vs. time manipulation is not enough proof to say he could rapidly single out a time-bubble that is completely divergent from the 'normal' time line. Imo, at least.
Not sure if you were being sarcastic, but snapping his fingers ('thundersnaps'😉, and/or using 'Zoom blasts' are certainly tactics Zoom has used regularly in battle (a few times against Flash, and most recently against the Rogues.)
Originally posted by Galan007It said it took place in the Planck time between moments, out of time, in the same place as where Mimic and Nate were (which means this is the only description for where Nate and Mimic were). I don't recall time stated as being stopped around Nate and Ares though. Scan?
Time was stopped around Nate/Ares because they were the ones who stepped outside of time.I agree that pretty much any time manipulation abilities used against Ares should be, for all intents and purposes, negated. However, the single showing Ares has vs. time manipulation is not enough proof to say he could rapidly single out a time-bubble that is completely divergent from the 'normal' time line. Imo, at least.
Not sure if you were being sarcastic, but snapping his fingers ('thundersnaps'😉, and/or using 'Zoom blasts' are certainly tactics Zoom has used regularly in battle (a few times against Flash, and most recently against the Rogues.)
One is never enough though. We only have one to go on right now. And that one seemed pretty clear that if your using time powers against Ares, that he will get you... at least what I saw of it.
I realize. I'm not downplaying the validity of the ability, but rather him actually using that before he goes in to punch Ares.
Originally posted by BlanketThere are no scans that specifically say "time was stopped" - however, the phrase 'between moments' is what makes me believe it was. For instance, when various speedsters have accelerated to the point where they exist 'in between the ticks of a second', relative time is completely stopped around them. Seems logical to assume the same basic thing happened with Nate and the others.
It said it took place in the Planck time between moments, out of time, in the same place as where Mimic and Nate were (which means this is the only description for where Nate and Mimic were). I don't recall time stated as being stopped around Nate and Ares though. Scan?
The same area allowed Nate to accidently delete memories and allow people to see them fighting though...
To me, that area judging by description anyway, seemed to happen out of time (away from the battlefield) in the planck length that would pass in 616. Could be wrong though.One is never enough though. We only have one to go on right now. And that one seemed pretty clear that if your using time powers against Ares, that he will get you... at least what I saw of it.
I realize. I'm not downplaying the validity of the ability, but rather him actually using that before he goes in to punch Ares.
We saw Nate use time manipulation to step out of sync with the time line, and we saw Ares essentially use the same type of manipulation to enter the 'plain' Nate was on. I personally don't see that as enough evidence to say that Ares could single out, and counteract Zoom's bubble... But that's just my opinion.
Just saying that its a very plausible route that Zoom could travel, and quite frankly, a route that Ares wouldn't have much defense against. Also: would Ares' temporal abilities be common knowledge now..? Seems like they would be. *shrugs*
Originally posted by Galan007It also said 'out of time'. And again, allowed other perks.
There are no scans that specifically say "time was stopped" - however, the phrase 'between moments' is what makes me believe it was. For instance, when various speedsters have accelerated to the point where they exist 'in between the ticks of a second', relative time is completely stopped around them. Seems logical to assume the same basic thing happened with Nate and the others.We saw Nate use time manipulation to step out of sync with the time line, and we saw Ares essentially use the same type of manipulation to enter the 'plain' Nate was on. I personally don't see that as enough evidence to say that Ares could single out, and counteract Zoom's bubble... But that's just my opinion.
Just saying that its a very plausible route that Zoom could travel, and quite frankly, a route that Ares wouldn't have much defense against. Also: would Ares' temporal abilities be common knowledge now..? Seems like they would be. *shrugs*
You really think Ares knew what he was doing? He basically just busted in, only mentioning time. I don't personally think he knows exactly what or how he's doing it, he just does it. Even then, with such a high level of time traveling as Ares' did inside Nate's own manipulation bubble (showing multiple timelines as well), you'd think that'd be enough proof that he can enter anyone's timeline...
Someone also said that he cut into another timeline or something, but I don't know the specifics on that one.
Not really. It's only plausible because it's the only way Zoom would avoid Ares' time manipulation. 😬
Doubt it's common knowledge as only Nate an apparent master of time has commented on it.
