How much stronger is Superboy Prime than Superman

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Team busting rampages doesn't put Prime exponentially above Superman either. Superman fighting Darkseid has nothing to do with Superman unleashing himself on Imperiex probes which weren't strictly alive.

Your opinion.

Prime's average portrayals are well above Superman's and his best are higher than what Superman is capable of. Prime's also written as higher than him and the only way you can suggest Superman is about as capable is if you do a lot of speculating.

^ Which is exactly why Superman Prime's rampages aren't impressive either. Stick bloodlusted Thor, Black Adam, Superman in there and they do the same. Inverse ninja law. Now you're getting it.

Your opinions are unsubstantiated and shallow. You ignore circumstances to suit your position, fail to account for Superman's restraint, and just aggrandize a character solely to spite Superman. In other words, you don't have a leg to stand on to suggest that Prime is supremely higher than Superman in strength all things considered equal.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Which is exactly why Superman Prime's rampages aren't impressive either. Stick bloodlusted Thor, Black Adam, Superman in there and they do the same. Inverse ninja law. Now you're getting it.

Your opinions are unsubstantiated and shallow. You ignore circumstances to suit your position, fail to account for Superman's restraint, and just aggrandize a character solely to spite Superman. In other words, you don't have a leg to stand on to suggest that Prime is supremely higher than Superman in strength all things considered equal.

I used a showing where he showed no restraint against a much weaker opponent than Prime and you ignore it.

It's you who ignore pretty much everything and pretend he holds back when carting planets around or opening pop cans. Prime is stronger and you are wrong yet agin.

^ Nothing to do with comparative strength of Prime and Superman. Backing away from your own recognition just one post earlier of the inverse ninja law is a poor quaneuver.

And your speculation of how Prime would do against Wonderowman serves no purpose. I don't see bloodlusted Superman getting his a$$ constantly humiliated by Bart Allen either. So what?

Prime isn't supremely stronger than a bloodlusted Superman who isn't holding back. He has no showings which establish that. And hating Superman doesn't change that.

I dont think that its good to even bring up the imperex probes, especially if you actually looked at how they were defeated.

Hepititus killed two by taking their heads off with a space ship.

Wonder Woman hit one in the back of the head with a shield and destroyed it.

Lois Father killed one with a miniature nuke.

Aquaman with an amp killed one by stabbing it.

The probes wasnt impressive at all if you ask me.

Hell, Doomsday took out numerous of them and we all know that Doomsday isnt on primes level since two Superman one shotted him but it took the same two Supermans to depower prime in order to even pose a threat against him.

Wonder Woman also fought the Jla and Black Adam has fought the entire JSA and STOMPED them but his punches did jack to prime. So using Supes going against the jla was still kind of meaningless.

Look at the people prime fought and look at the threat that he presented.

Again, its obvious who is much more powerful.

To be honest, Prime's stock has fallen for me. I doubt he has any significant edge over a going all out Superman. I'd give him the nods, but it would be slight.

At this point, I'd say either Classic Thor or Current Superman beat Current Prime in a fight. The moment he stopped fighting numbers, and someone who he would have a legit showdown with, he had problems. I am of course referring to Superboy. His heat vision severely scarred him, his blow drew blood etc. Oh and when he came back, Bart had him on the ropes with his speed. Individually they did better than they did while on a team and an entire team of Legion members, could not do shit.

It's like what's been stated. Inverse ninja law. It's less impressive when the heroes are not people anyone truly cares about like cannon fodder Legion of Superhero members. And it's even worse when their no named, no face minions like say the Imperiex Probes.

It also doesn't help, because John's could not care less about power levels in my opinion.

Originally posted by carver9
I dont think that its good to even bring up the imperex probes, especially if you actually looked at how they were defeated.

Hepititus killed two by taking their heads off with a space ship.

Wonder Woman hit one in the back of the head with a shield and destroyed it.

Lois Father killed one with a miniature nuke.

Aquaman with an amp killed one by stabbing it.

The probes wasnt impressive at all if you ask me.

Hell, Doomsday took out numerous of them and we all know that Doomsday isnt on primes level since two Superman one shotted him but it took the same two Supermans to depower prime in order to even pose a threat against him.

Wonder Woman also fought the Jla and Black Adam has fought the entire JSA and STOMPED them but his punches did jack to prime. So using Supes going against the jla was still kind of meaningless.

Look at the people prime fought and look at the threat that he presented.

Again, its obvious who is much more powerful.

Superman curbstomping the JLA is as meaningless as Prime rampaging through heroes is as meanignless as dying WWIII Black Adam's rampaging through heroes. Inverse ninja law. Black Adam's over-reliance on his magic doesn't transform Prime's shrugging his punches off into an exponentially greater strength feat.

Look at the people a dying WWIII Black Adam fought and look at the threat that he presented.

Again, its obvious your shallow reliance on Prime's rampaging (while ignoring others' rampages) and your conflation of magic durability with vastly superior strength... well... let's just say its obvious who is not much more powerful.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
To be honest, Prime's stock has fallen for me. I doubt he has any significant edge over a going all out Superman. I'd give him the nods, but it would be slight.

At this point, I'd say either Classic Thor or Current Superman beat Current Prime in a fight. The moment he stopped fighting numbers, and someone who he would have a legit showdown with, he had problems. I am of course referring to Superboy. His heat vision severely scarred him, his blow drew blood. Oh and when he came back, Bart had him on the ropes with his speed. On the other hand, an entire team of Legion members, could not do shit.

It's like what's been stated. Inverse ninja law. It's less impressive when the heroes are not people anyone truly cares about like cannon fodder Legion of Superhero members. And it's even worse when their no named, no face minions like say the Imperiex Probes.

I havent seen much of current prime so Im basing my judgement off of his earlier showings.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The Doomsday that was fighting Imperiex probes is not the same Doomsday that fought the two Supermen. The former was disintegrated. The latter is Doomsday Rex which couldn't even adapt to Kryptonite radiation and jobbed to Superman, IIRC.

Superman curbstomping the JLA is as meaningless as Prime rampaging through heroes is as meanignless as dying WWIII Black Adam's rampaging through heroes. Inverse ninja law. Black Adam's over-reliance on his magic doesn't transform Prime's shrugging his punches off into an exponentially greater strength feat.

Look at the people a dying WWIII Black Adam fought and look at the threat that he presented.

Again, its obvious your shallow reliance on Prime's rampaging (while ignoring others' rampages) and your conflation of magic durability with vastly superior strength... its obvious who is not much more powerful.

Well, we all know that Adam never hold back so the punches that he delivered on prime was mixed with his strength along with magic and Prime shrugged it off. Even if Adam didnt use magic against Supes, I cant see Supes shrugging off any punches from BA.

But you have to think of it like this. Yes, Supes had a good showing against the JLA BUT the jla is filled with people that idolize, love, and care for him. Of course they wont put everything they have at dropping him whereas, the same cant be said for the people that was fighting prime.

I agree with your topic about doomsday but again, using the probes is irrelevant since numerous of people took them out easily. The probes are overrated if you ask me.

What showings are you using that put Supes on primes level because I could put up one scan from Prime and 3 scans for Supes and you'll be screaming PIS all day/night long.

Prime seemed like a beast in Sinestro Corps. At his most powerful besides the Guardian amp in my opinion. But even then, the "More Number = Less Effectiveness" law seemed to be in play, with the entire Ion fight and before that, with the Superman/Powergirl/Supergirl beating around. Also the Krypto scene comes to mind.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Prime seemed like a beast in Sinestro Corps. At his most powerful besides the Guardian amp in my opinion. But even then, the "More Number = Less Effectiveness" law seemed to be in play, with the entire Ion fight and before that, with the Superman/Powergirl/Supergirl beating around. Also the Krypto scene comes to mind.

Krypto? Krypto did nothing impressive at all to Prime but annoy him and isnt Krypto just as powerful as Supes except he have sharp teeth?

Originally posted by carver9
Krypto? Krypto did nothing impressive at all to Prime but annoy him and isnt Krypto just as powerful as Supes except he have sharp teeth?

Didn't Krypto take a nice chunk out of him?

Nah, not as powerful in. Even less so currently, if the way Black Lantern Superboy handled him is any indication. Or that may just be a bad showing. Wasn't that written by Johns? Could also be the explanation. At times he is seen as the dog equivalent of Superman, except with better senses, and claws/fangs. Krypto is pretty damn deadly.

Anyways, I gotta go.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Didn't Krypto take a nice chunk out of him?

Nah, not as powerful in. Even less so currently, if the way Black Lantern Superboy handled him is any indication. Or that may just be a bad showing. Wasn't that written by Johns? Could also be the explanation. At times he is seen as the dog equivalent of Superman, except with better senses, and claws/fangs. Krypto is pretty damn deadly.

Anyways, I gotta go.

He didnt take a chunk out of him, he just drew blood and many of people did that and still got dropped.

Well, from what I always tend to see from krypto, he is always the last resort (he even had a good showing against a probe) when someone is getting that ass whipped.

Originally posted by carver9
He didnt take a chunk out of him, he just drew blood and many of people did that and still got dropped.

Well, from what I always tend to see from krypto, he is always the last resort (he even had a good showing against a probe) when someone is getting that ass whipped.

I remember him taking a chunk. Huh, must have been the first fight then.

Yea Krypto is pretty badass at times. When I was reading the Superboy tie-in, I was like common Krypto, kick Conner's ass.

I like Krypto at times more than I like Superman. Krypto is pretty damn awesome.

He was also absolutely awesome against Atlas. Last resort, after Superman/girl where beaten down.

This was fun carver, but I have to go.

Originally posted by carver9
I dont think that its good to even bring up the imperex probes, especially if you actually looked at how they were defeated.

Hepititus killed two by taking their heads off with a space ship.

Wonder Woman hit one in the back of the head with a shield and destroyed it.

Lois Father killed one with a miniature nuke.

Aquaman with an amp killed one by stabbing it.

The probes wasnt impressive at all if you ask me.

Hell, Doomsday took out numerous of them and we all know that Doomsday isnt on primes level since two Superman one shotted him but it took the same two Supermans to depower prime in order to even pose a threat against him.

Wonder Woman also fought the Jla and Black Adam has fought the entire JSA and STOMPED them but his punches did jack to prime. So using Supes going against the jla was still kind of meaningless.

Look at the people prime fought and look at the threat that he presented.

Again, its obvious who is much more powerful.

read the comic again before you post regarding the imperiex probes. i mean it.

also, iirc, krypto was the first person to damage prime's armour.

642.8971 times stronger.

Approximately

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Nothing to do with comparative strength of Prime and Superman. Backing away from your own recognition just one post earlier of the inverse ninja law is a poor quaneuver.

And your speculation of how Prime would do against Wonderowman serves no purpose. I don't see bloodlusted Superman getting his a$$ constantly humiliated by Bart Allen either. So what?

Prime isn't supremely stronger than a bloodlusted Superman who isn't holding back. He has no showings which establish that. And hating Superman doesn't change that.

I also don't see Prime getting beaten into submission by three Henshaw blows. Humiliating isn't =defeating your opponent. If allen was the only person required to beat Prime he wouldn't be the uber threat he is would he?

There are no showings of a bloodlusted Superman Prime doesn't surpass.

^ I agree. So why do you keep ignoring everything and refusing to read comics??? And it's clear that you have to run away from your own contradictions, act like you don't flip-flop, read comics like World War III and Our Worlds At War, and preserve some dignity.

I also don't see Superman having problems with a superdog.

Had you any uber feats by Prime to rely on, you'd have a point.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I agree. So why do you keep ignoring everything and refusing to read comics??? And it's clear that you have to run away from your own contradictions, act like you don't flip-flop, read comics like World War III and Our Worlds At War, and preserve some dignity.

I also don't see Superman having problems with a superdog.

Had you any uber feats by Prime to rely on, you'd have a point.

Do you really feel Krypto can defeat Prime? The example I gave wasn't a character giving Superman problems it was a character beating him in three solid blows.

I guess you are ignoring the Monarch and planet pushing feats.

^ It is beyond you. That's been the running theme of this thread.

It's appropriate to cite one of your self-serving reasons for Henshaw. "Once a character just returns, of course they're going to build him up and not have him immediately beat." Sound familiar? That's your excuse for Superboy smacking the crap outta Prime when he was revived. Convenient for you to use. Convenient for me to remind you of at this point.

And here I thought you were going to talk about Prime wrecking the Speedforce again.