Originally posted by Omega Vision
They had the whole Multiverse thing going on, he was Earth-5's Superman.
I didn't really care for that to be honest. CM already has a lot of flack as a "Superman clone" and I think he's done enough to be able to stand on his own two feet without being considered to be the "magic version of Supes". Still, it was cool to at least have one version of CM treated with respect and as a peer to Superman.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I didn't really care for that to be honest. CM already has a lot of flack as a "Superman clone" and I think he's done enough to be able to stand on his own two feet without being considered to be the "magic version of Supes". Still, it was cool to at least have one version of CM treated with respect and as a peer to Superman.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
The point was the concept of the Superman as shown by Captain Allen Adam who despite being even more different than Captain Marvel was still seen as his Universe's Superman.
Superman represented the core of what a superhero is, Captain Marvel represented the lighter, innocent kind of superhero, Ultraman the dark and gritty side of superhero comics, Overman...I'm not sure, I guess he showed that no matter what world he lands on (even a Nazi world) Superman is Superman, Allen Adam of course represented the ultimate concept of the Supraman, the Ubermensch, a being beyond good and evil.
I will have to look into this .. "Superman as shown by Captain Allen Adam" can you tell me what series or book he was in?
Originally posted by Lord Feron
I will have to look into this .. "Superman as shown by Captain Allen Adam" can you tell me what series or book he was in?
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Final Crisis: Superman Beyond. It really helps to read the FC Annotations on the web and some of Morrison's interviews. The more you analyze Final Crisis the less it seems like the work of a crack head and the more it seems like a brilliant literary achievement.
I agree with that much. The first time I read Final Crisis, I was like "WTF is this shit? And why did I pay for it?". But after doing some independent research and re-reading it (lot's of re-reading), I can honestly say I appreciate it a lot more now than I did when it first came out.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Final Crisis: Superman Beyond. It really helps to read the FC Annotations on the web and some of Morrison's interviews. The more you analyze Final Crisis the less it seems like the work of a crack head and the more it seems like a brilliant literary achievement.
Alwaays did find FC to be quite wildly imaginative. But i will look into what you say.
Originally posted by Omega VisionNo, it's crap.
Final Crisis: Superman Beyond. It really helps to read the FC Annotations on the web and some of Morrison's interviews. The more you analyze Final Crisis the less it seems like the work of a crack head and the more it seems like a brilliant literary achievement.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0And this wouldn't be the first time you were incorrect about something. I let you off the hook when you posted Thor's hammer strike sending shockwaves throughout the planet as you completely left out the context behind the scene and the feat. You're wrong all the time on here and sorry I don't keep maps of the multiverse in my underwear drawer or reread arcs more than 2 times.
^ Yuh-huh. Don't project your own erectile dysfunction onto me, kid. crackersAlso, this wouldn't be the first time you didn't read the comics of the characters you're arguing for. And certainly not the last.
Now I will ask you again based on what? If you can't make a case don't act like you can, k.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Even if he goes all out I don't see him anywhere near Prime and no showing to suggest as much.
Agreed. Does anyone think he was holding back against Prime? Or, say, Doomsday?
We've seen non-holding back Clark on a few occasions. Superboy Prime is stronger than that.
Superboy Prime does stuff fairly casually that is hard for Superman even when not holding back. Let's not forget that in Sinestro Corps War when he was fighting off dozens of heroes including Superman and Powergirl, he wasn't even fully charged by the sun.
Going all-out multiplies Superman's strength by, I'd guess, 1.5x, maybe somewhat more, but not SB Prime level.
Originally posted by Q99People want to imagine him being on Prime's level when nothing could be further from the truth.
Agreed. Does anyone think he was holding back against Prime? Or, say, Doomsday?We've seen non-holding back Clark on a few occasions. Superboy Prime is stronger than that.
Superboy Prime does stuff fairly casually that is hard for Superman even when not holding back. Let's not forget that in Sinestro Corps War when he was fighting off dozens of heroes including Superman and Powergirl, he wasn't even fully charged by the sun.
Going all-out multiplies Superman's strength by, I'd guess, 1.5x, maybe somewhat more, but not SB Prime level.