Originally posted by quanchi112
If he could do it by himself then he wouldn't need the help he'd just say I got this. In direct confrontations Prime's always been shown to be his superior.I think it's rather obvious Prime exceeds Superman in every way, shape, and form by his showings but I guess some people view it differently despite the lack of evidence.
a) superman isn't that much of an ass.
b) don't presume to condescend to me like you know what you're talking about.
Originally posted by -Pr-a)No, Prime is a jerk no doubt about it.
a) superman isn't that much of an ass.b) don't presume to condescend to me like you know what you're talking about.
b)What do you mean? I do know what I am talking about here. I've seen the characters fight on panel. I've seen prime in action. I've seen the ridiculous things he does. Superman can't laugh off Mordru blasts, Black Adam punches, can't blow thru Prime's hand, bfr the Anti Monitor, move planets at the speeds Prime has done on panel.
I don't want to get into anything over it but there's no proof he's anywhere near Prime strength with all things considered.
Originally posted by quanchi112
a)No, Prime is a jerk no doubt about it.b)What do you mean? I do know what I am talking about here. I've seen the characters fight on panel. I've seen prime in action. I've seen the ridiculous things he does. Superman can't laugh off Mordru blasts, Black Adam punches, can't blow thru Prime's hand, bfr the Anti Monitor, move planets at the speeds Prime has done on panel.
I don't want to get into anything over it but there's no proof he's anywhere near Prime strength with all things considered.
Originally posted by Omega VisionSpeculation. Look I get it, the only thing I am going to hear is Superman could and can without offering proof.
Superman could definitely bfr the weakened husk of the Anti-Monitor from the end of SCW. 😬
I mean if he can't easily do the other things I mentioned I guess I already made my point.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Speculation. Look I get it, the only thing I am going to hear is Superman could and can without offering proof.I mean if he can't easily do the other things I mentioned I guess I already made my point.
Originally posted by Omega VisionI know the percentage of which we all see the gap will vary from person to person, but the gap is there. My point is someone like Black Adam hitting Superman he's going to feel it while it tickles Prime.
I'm in no way arguing Superman=Prime, I'm not stupid or delusional in spite of your opinion. What I'm arguing is that the gulf of power between them isn't nearly as wide as you think it is.
Originally posted by quanchi112
a)No, Prime is a jerk no doubt about it.b)What do you mean? I do know what I am talking about here. I've seen the characters fight on panel. I've seen prime in action. I've seen the ridiculous things he does. Superman can't laugh off Mordru blasts, Black Adam punches, can't blow thru Prime's hand, bfr the Anti Monitor, move planets at the speeds Prime has done on panel.
I don't want to get into anything over it but there's no proof he's anywhere near Prime strength with all things considered.
a) that's why i said Superman, not Superboy Prime.
b) Not to you. Plus, you obviously don't know as much about Superman as you seem to claim you do if you'd so readily dismiss him.
Blasts from Mordru? Superman has tanked the OB. Superman could pierce his hand if he wanted to. Kryptonian heat vision regularly pierces the skin of other Kryptonians. There's more than enough evidence of that.
Prime's consistency ISN'T that impressive. People say he took on an army of superheroes. So did Superman. Almost every time he fights Conner Kent, he has trouble. So now Conner is Superman level? He pretty much pissed himself when Supergirl and Powergirl threatened to castrate him.
People love to bring up that Prime is a silver age kryptonian. You know who else is a silver age kryptonian? Earth 2 Superman, and his feats piss all over Prime's. Yet what happened when Superman fought him? He held his own.
Yes, Prime is stronger than Superman, but to say that Superman couldn't match him, with the feats he has ON PANEL, is lunacy, imo.
Originally posted by -Pr-A)K.
a) that's why i said Superman, not Superboy Prime.b) Not to you. Plus, you obviously don't know as much about Superman as you seem to claim you do if you'd so readily dismiss him.
Blasts from Mordru? Superman has tanked the OB. Superman could pierce his hand if he wanted to. Kryptonian heat vision regularly pierces the skin of other Kryptonians. There's more than enough evidence of that.
Prime's consistency ISN'T that impressive. People say he took on an army of superheroes. So did Superman. Almost every time he fights Conner Kent, he has trouble. So now Conner is Superman level? He pretty much pissed himself when Supergirl and Powergirl threatened to castrate him.
People love to bring up that Prime is a silver age kryptonian. You know who else is a silver age kryptonian? Earth 2 Superman, and his feats piss all over Prime's. Yet what happened when Superman fought him? He held his own.
Yes, Prime is stronger than Superman, but to say that Superman couldn't match him, with the feats he has ON PANEL, is lunacy, imo.
B)I don't have to read every Superman appearance out there when I've seen how these two characters interact and how they are shown. I also see how they interact against similar opposition and Prime seems to be well above him in every way.
Superman got blasted by Mordru and he needed aid against Mordru in the same arc by the same writer who had Prime laugh off Mordru blasts so it's a direct comparison by the same writer in the same story. Prime laughs off things that hurt Superman.
What's inconsistent about Prime? He's smacked Superboy around before, killed his teammates by mistake, and gotten Superboy killed while Prime barely noticed it. He's not going to easily kick superboy's ass the moment he reemerges in comics. you put up a thread between the two and Prime dominates Superboy all day. In a story created by dc they won't have Prime just squat away a character who just returned as they would be kinda pointless as
a)he just returned.
b)they have a special connection.
Prime was a threat both your silver age Superman and ne Superman took on. They depowered them all to win. That to me doesn't reek of silver age Superman as greater than Prime. it was all heroes vs. Prime at the end because he was the threat and has displayed as being more powerful with all of these characters in the same story.
Also, Superman needed an army of robots to battle multiple dc heroes. He didn't do so on his own unlike Prime.
Superman didn't hold his own against Prime. you say he can when the exact opposite is shown is lunacy. Abc logic falls short when we have these characters both going at it on panel.
Originally posted by quanchi112Since you already admit that Thor could cause planet-wide reverberations with a Mjolnir strike, than there is nothing to "spin." As it stands, it was a mistake. But thanks for the "forgivance," missy.
You needed to reread the arc because you missed a vital detail. Sorry, but saying he did it on his own is putting a spin on it but you admitted ignorance so I'll forgive you.We've seen Prime face off against Superman one on one and it's been utter domination for Prime.
Superman is holding back and not trying to kill Prime if you hadn't noticed. For other people, this would be a backhanded insult for pointing out something so obvious and feigning a sense of education. But because it's you, I won't take it for granted that you actually read the comics you comment on. So I'll educate you. Superman doesn't want to kill Superman Prime.
Originally posted by quanchi112If by "rant," you mean my request to you to "just read it yourself since you own the comics," then you have a very odd conception of "rant." I don't see how reading through 1000's of comics to make a respect thread and forgetting a detail in one of a thousand scans is "ironic." If you want to hold me to such high standards, then your own lack of penitence in refusing to read comics you own should weigh gravely on your own credibility. Since you don't show any regret in talking out of your a$$, you casting aspersions upon me is as effective as you p1ssing into the wind, i.e., you're p1ssing on yourself.
I asked for a simple scan in which stated it was the multiverse. It didn't state it was the multiverse at the end of the arc and I wasn't going to reread a story 6 months later just for that debate. I asked you for proof and when you posted it I said it makes more sense that it was the multiverse. Like I said everyone forgets things and I was honest it's been some time and only asked for proof. You went off on a rant like you always do and attacked me personally. You then missed something obvious about a character you studied enough to do a respect thread covering making your statement ironic.I never denied other heroes have thrown off other heroes. I suggest you reread it because Black Adam didn't throw off Superman like Prime did so making a claim that his showings are equal to Prime's is laughable to say the least. That's your problem you see another hero in the same league as Prime not mine. So reread it ok because Superman didn't oppose Adam. K.
Yes. Black Adam bowled through heroes just like Superman Prime did. Inverse ninja law. Focusing on Superman's absence in one situation, while detracting from Superman in another instance would be hypocritical if it weren't coming from you. As it is coming from you, it's simply par for the course. Superman is a saint of restraint. And amongst his peers, he is the most likely to go easy on Superman Prime. If you didn't know that, then you're simply not reading comics. Again.
Originally posted by quanchi112Actually, to be accurate, you refused to read issues you owned when it was pointed out to you that you were wrong. When asked again, you refused again. When asked several more times, you categorically refused to and started acting like you had cornered me. To be "accurate." If such a concept like "accuracy" even matters to you. I don't have a clue about Thor? That's comedy gold.
I read the issues. I hadn't read them recently while you seem clueless about Thor feats which was a character you studied. That's funny.Are you going to make an argument as to why you think Superman's closer to Prime yet?
Are you closer to reading comics that you comment on?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Giving that feat credit as a feat done without his belt of strength is a spin. How's it feel to admit being wrong to me. It feels awesome for me.
Since you already admit that Thor could cause planet-wide reverberations with a Mjolnir strike, than there is nothing to "spin." As it stands, it was a mistake. But thanks for the "forgivance," missy.Superman is holding back and not trying to kill Prime if you hadn't noticed. For other people, this would be a backhanded insult for pointing out something so obvious and feigning a sense of education. But because it's you, I won't take it for granted that you actually read the comics you comment on. So I'll educate you. Superman doesn't want to kill Superman Prime.If by "rant," you mean my request to you to "just read it yourself since you own the comics," then you have a very odd conception of "rant." I don't see how reading through 1000's of comics to make a respect thread and forgetting a detail in one of a thousand scans is "ironic." If you want to hold me to such high standards, then your own lack of penitence in refusing to read comics you own should weigh gravely on your own credibility. Since you don't show any regret in talking out of your a$$, you casting aspersions upon me is as effective as you p1ssing into the wind, i.e., you're p1ssing on yourself.
Yes. Black Adam bowled through heroes just like Superman Prime did. Inverse ninja law. Focusing on Superman's absence in one situation, while detracting from Superman in another instance would be hypocritical if it weren't coming from you. As it is coming from you, it's simply par for the course. Superman is a saint of restraint. And amongst his peers, he is the most likely to go easy on Superman Prime. If you didn't know that, then you're simply not reading comics. Again. Actually, to be accurate, you refused to read issues you owned when it was pointed out to you that you were wrong. When asked again, you refused again. When asked several more times, you categorically refused to and started acting like you had cornered me. To be "accurate." If such a concept like "accuracy" even matters to you. I don't have a clue about Thor? That's comedy gold.
Are you closer to reading comics that you comment on?
We've seen Superman not hold back before and he failed to kill WW so what's your point? We've seen Prime easily toss him aside, rip open the Monarch's armor which is by far his greatest strength feat considering how an army of top tiers couldn't do more than dent the armor. I guess you overrate Superman like most. Funny. You're excuses and logic pretty much cover every bad guy and hero here. I guess heroes get a free pass and can always rely on the holding back excuse. LOL.
Could Superman rip open Monarch's armor if he wanted to?
That's just one flaw that stood out. I am sure there are more but from someone who tells others to reread arcs because I didn't have the entire thing committed to memory you made a pretty big error. I didn't study the abraxas arc either yet you studied Thor.
BA received a lot more damage than Prime. Prime also was weakened when he took on most of the heroes and easily tossed them aside when his full power returned while BA had a melted face and was soon going to be overwhelmed. Characters also saw him as a former ally and don't hold him in the same regard as Prime. You know cause he's a villain and all. I guess you use double standards as well.
We've seen Superman go all out and it's nowhere near Prime level. I guess every showing of Superman is him holding back, eh? Typical response from one such as you while avoiding the reasons you put him closer to Prime you avoid the feats themselves and the reasoning.
Again, the word multiverse wasn't stated after the un recreated at the end of the arc. So it's still speculation either way as it doesn't outright state it. You had scans though and only posted them when I pushed you so that's laziness on your part.
Great job at avoiding the reasons why Superman is closer to Prime. You've become an expert at insult and dodge tactic you keep sporting.
Originally posted by AllanklesHe wasn't getting dropped. he was easily dealing with Superman during a melee fight. he easily tossed him off, blew thru his hand, and then froze him. Superman's nothing more than an irritant.
SBP is stronger but there's no way he's even close to 2x times stronger. If he were 2 times stronger - or anywhere close - he wouldn't have been brawling with Supes in IC and getting dropped, or having a real tussle in LO3W.
Originally posted by quanchi112
A)K.B)I don't have to read every Superman appearance out there when I've seen how these two characters interact and how they are shown. I also see how they interact against similar opposition and Prime seems to be well above him in every way.
Superman got blasted by Mordru and he needed aid against Mordru in the same arc by the same writer who had Prime laugh off Mordru blasts so it's a direct comparison by the same writer in the same story. Prime laughs off things that hurt Superman.
What's inconsistent about Prime? He's smacked Superboy around before, killed his teammates by mistake, and gotten Superboy killed while Prime barely noticed it. He's not going to easily kick superboy's ass the moment he reemerges in comics. you put up a thread between the two and Prime dominates Superboy all day. In a story created by dc they won't have Prime just squat away a character who just returned as they would be kinda pointless as
a)he just returned.
b)they have a special connection.Prime was a threat both your silver age Superman and ne Superman took on. They depowered them all to win. That to me doesn't reek of silver age Superman as greater than Prime. it was all heroes vs. Prime at the end because he was the threat and has displayed as being more powerful with all of these characters in the same story.
Also, Superman needed an army of robots to battle multiple dc heroes. He didn't do so on his own unlike Prime.
Superman didn't hold his own against Prime. you say he can when the exact opposite is shown is lunacy. Abc logic falls short when we have these characters both going at it on panel.
and here i was thinking this new attitude of yours meant you'd actually grown some as a poster.
that's either plain superman hate, or prime fanboyism the likes of which i've never seen. either works, tbh.
and btw, he DID take on an army of heroes by himself. you'd know that if you'd READ THE COMICS.
Originally posted by quanchi112It was a mistake. I've made mistakes before. Whether you pointed this out, or somebody else did makes no difference to me. I want feedback on the Respect Thread to make it better. It's now evident to me that you only pointed it out to me to be spiteful, instead of constructive. And if you're really getting off on this, then I honestly feel very, very sorry for you.
Giving that feat credit as a feat done without his belt of strength is a spin. How's it feel to admit being wrong to me. It feels awesome for me.We've seen Superman not hold back before and he failed to kill WW so what's your point? We've seen Prime easily toss him aside, rip open the Monarch's armor which is by far his greatest strength feat considering how an army of top tiers couldn't do more than dent the armor. I guess you overrate Superman like most. Funny. You're excuses and logic pretty much cover every bad guy and hero here. I guess heroes get a free pass and can always rely on the holding back excuse. LOL.
Could Superman rip open Monarch's armor if he wanted to?
Wonderwoman has nothing to do with this. We're not comparing Guardian-amped Superman Prime with Superman. Had Superman had a fading portion of Guardian-ampage left and bumrushed Monarch, I'd imagine he'd do the same thing. Try and keep on topic.
Originally posted by quanchi112I read Thor comics. Decided to scan his feats and put them in order. I don't write dissertations on him. Refusing to reread a comic that you owned after it's pointed out to you that you're wrong and trolling me for missing a detail that I acknowledged immediately is hypocritical at best. At worst, it's a very pathetic attempt to use the latter to spite me for subjecting you to the former.
That's just one flaw that stood out. I am sure there are more but from someone who tells others to reread arcs because I didn't have the entire thing committed to memory you made a pretty big error. I didn't study the abraxas arc either yet you studied Thor.BA received a lot more damage than Prime. Prime also was weakened when he took on most of the heroes and easily tossed them aside when his full power returned while BA had a melted face and was soon going to be overwhelmed. Characters also saw him as a former ally and don't hold him in the same regard as Prime. You know cause he's a villain and all. I guess you use double standards as well.
Originally posted by quanchi112I'm not surprised that you're unaware of Superman's restraint and/or his sympathy for Superman Prime. We've seen plenty of times where teams get busted up as badly as Superman Prime has busted teams. Well, at least we who read comics have. I won't presume that you have.
We've seen Superman go all out and it's nowhere near Prime level. I guess every showing of Superman is him holding back, eh? Typical response from one such as you while avoiding the reasons you put him closer to Prime you avoid the feats themselves and the reasoning.Again, the word multiverse wasn't stated after the un recreated at the end of the arc. So it's still speculation either way as it doesn't outright state it. You had scans though and only posted them when I pushed you so that's laziness on your part.
Great job at avoiding the reasons why Superman is closer to Prime. You've become an expert at insult and dodge tactic you keep sporting.
You sir, are an idiot. I am not the bad guy for asking you to read a comic that you owned. If you didn't have the comic, that's one thing. But you did have the comic. Why should I scan a comic that you own on a topic we're arguing over? That makes no sense. But you went further than that, because after refusing to reread it, you started acting like an idiot as if you cornered me. Then you got scan-spanked. Badly. And then you went even further and started acting like it was my fault the whole time because I didn't immediately scan it for you. You could have avoided the whole situation by just reading the damn comic that you owned. And now I see you even taking it further and trolling me in a wholly different thread over the mess you created. It wasn't my fault you stuck your foot in your mouth. Again. And again. And again. And it's not my fault this time around either. You really need to get over it.
Great job using Guardian-amped Prime as a basis for your attempted rebuttals. Smart work. 👆
Originally posted by -Pr-I did read the comics not all of them but who really can make a case they read every Superman appearance out there. Like I said he had aid when he took on Batman and the other heroes when he went a little crazy there due to dominus. You know I hate Superman but I give him his due and it's well beneath Prime.
and here i was thinking this new attitude of yours meant you'd actually grown some as a poster.that's either plain superman hate, or prime fanboyism the likes of which i've never seen. either works, tbh.
and btw, he DID take on an army of heroes by himself. you'd know that if you'd READ THE COMICS.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0I am not getting off on it it's just ironic because I let you pass and you went off on a rant because I couldn't remember every detail about an arc I read months ago. That's the only reason I brought it up.
It was a mistake. I've made mistakes before. Whether you pointed this out, or somebody else did makes no difference to me. I want feedback on the Respect Thread to make it better. It's now evident to me that you only pointed it out to me to be spiteful, instead of constructive. And if you're really getting off on this, then I honestly feel very, very sorry for you.Wonderwoman has nothing to do with this. We're not comparing Guardian-amped Superman Prime with Superman. Had Superman had a fading portion of Guardian-ampage left and bumrushed Monarch, I'd imagine he'd do the same thing. Try and keep on topic. I read Thor comics. Decided to scan his feats and put them in order. I don't write dissertations on him. Refusing to reread a comic that you owned after it's pointed out to you that you're wrong and trolling me for missing a detail that I acknowledged immediately is hypocritical at best. At worst, it's a very pathetic attempt to use the latter to spite me for subjecting you to the former. I'm not surprised that you're unaware of Superman's restraint and/or his sympathy for Superman Prime. We've seen plenty of times where teams get busted up as badly as Superman Prime has busted teams. Well, at least we who read comics have. I won't presume that you have.
You sir, are an idiot. I am not the bad guy for asking you to read a comic that you owned. If you didn't have the comic, that's one thing. But you did have the comic. Why should I scan a comic that you own on a topic we're arguing over? That makes no sense. But you went further than that, because after refusing to reread it, you started acting like an idiot as if you cornered me. Then you got scan-spanked. Badly. And then you went even further and started acting like it was my fault the whole time because I didn't immediately scan it for you. You could have avoided the whole situation by just reading the damn comic that you owned. And now I see you even taking it further and trolling me in a wholly different thread over the mess you created. It wasn't my fault you stuck your foot in your mouth. Again. And again. And again. And it's not my fault this time around either. You really need to get over it.
Great job using Guardian-amped Prime as a basis for your attempted rebuttals. Smart work. 👆
The amp was gone when he tore it off hence Moanrch's comments about his muscles shrinking. The amp wore off and it was a Prime feat without the amp.
I didn't troll I asked for evidence because i wasn't reread the entire arc for you or anyone else for that matter. I went to the end and it didn't mention multiverse so I asked for proof. End of story.
Prime was also weakened and the moment he wasn't he easily tossed them aside like bums. I am aware of his restraint but that doesn't excuse his planet carrying feat he needed aid with. No one is going to get hurt if he uses all his strength and even suggesting he would hold back in that sort of scenario is complete crap. I apply common sense to much of my debating while feats such as this aren't feats where he held back. It defies common sense now I do acknowledge that Superman would hold back when hitting someone, but I don't see his strength feats or who he's beaten down as definitive proof he could even give Prime an actual fight if they both went at it. I see it as more or less the same as an Ion fight. it would take time but Prime would mop the floor with him.
It wasn't guardian amped Prime at the end of the arc. if you read it you'd know the amp wore off at the point of the feat. Reread countdown if you think that was an amped Prime who performed the feat.
Again, insults aside I guess you won't prove your case.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I did read the comics not all of them but who really can make a case they read every Superman appearance out there. Like I said he had aid when he took on Batman and the other heroes when he went a little crazy there due to dominus. You know I hate Superman but I give him his due and it's well beneath Prime.
not the same instance. so please, stop assuming.