Kratos, Link, Ganondorf, Dante vs War, Kain, LK and Bayonetta

Size, strength and experience means he 'could' of thrown then like Link does.

Cant remember what others in the LoZ world has to do with this >.>

Boh's not strong enough to throw a Goron, just large and experienced. 😛

This is what happens when BT starts debating Zelda characters. He tries to discredit everything in the franchise.

For example, he claims consistently that the Gorons are weak and light because the iron boots are too heavy for them to move.

The iron boots do a lot of crazy crap which proves they're heavier than iron, and Gorons have shown strength beyond retarded.

Goron Mask, he can punch those huge blocks/pillars/thingies. And iron boots stop these guys from moving human weight. Not normal iron capped boots.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Gone for one second and the cavalry turns up 😛

And LoZ isnt 'toonforce' 😐

Admit im nt bothered to watch clips ^^; but i found a quote ''i came all this way... and im not strong enough to take his soul!?'' -This is a physical and speed example.

More then a normal one as its make of strong demon energy.

So we know he's consistently above 5 tons, yay... Talking about the scene where he kicks Kain into the wall? Havant seen any others. ''Sharper than a Japanese sword.'' ''(...)is said to cut through anything." Y'know speed adds to the force right?

Was not aware they always knew what moves the other had in all threads... Its in human potential (just barely) to react and act to Kains re-entry. We know Dante's side, Ganon only needs good human RT to counter, and im sure Link and Kratos are above human enough to have good chances of reacting in time.

Think others have, some guy (mayor of a village) was strong enough to throw Gorons when wearing Iron boots.

Tell that to WW link as he squeeks down the side of a castle like a toon after flying into the distance from a tiny explosion like Tream rocket in the pokemon cartoons, or the bouncing Goron who hops with pain as he touches lava, like a toon.

Thats what strength consistency is, not being beaten by anyone below you or not doing things you have shown unable to do in the past. For example if a Goron cannot push someone just because their wearing boots, its inconsistent that they can break heavy stone (which does not have to be heavy, only paste assumes so based on size).

Velocity does indeed add to it, but in Dantes case he has shown he only puts a tiny amount of strength to make his strikes fast, I think its bruce lee is a real life example of a guy who achieved faster punches by not using his full strength and tensing his arms until they hit the opponent.

Only to percieve perhaps, no man has shown the ability to percieve AND strike at 2.0, and your using figuires from martial artists who have trained their whole lives? a normal joe probably would just about have time to look surprised in 0.2. Reacting to something they can see and predict, none of Team 1 apart from Dante have shown this at 0.2.

I think its interesting how you bring this up, yet another possible piece of evidence useful to me. A normal guy who is not link can apprently beat Gorons at their own game.

Goron Mask, he can punch those huge blocks/pillars/thingies. And iron boots stop these guys from moving human weight. Not normal iron capped boots.

^ Bingo.

Originally posted by Burning thought

Disagree with the Goron bit, no idea of the WW Link part. Will check.

Ok, lets say for instance that everyone else is only as strong as humans. That doesnt mean anything for Kains high consistency.

Punch strength 120lbs, speed 0.25= 1 tons of force. Strength 60lbs, speed 0.17= 0.7 tons of force. Half strength (half... very low) at fast speed is only 30% less force. Now for these two, Kain 0.2second 80 ton strikes, Dante's weak fast hits (assuming he's faster by human standards) 0.15second 65 tons. Though its weaker (Note, only by human standards) the speed will mean more hits in then Kains.

In 2.0, many lol. Experts (few years not whole life), fast movements + fast RT. That would defiantly be near Kratos, guessing Link as he's a pro too. No idea about Ganon but if his TK works like i think then it wouldnt be too much trouble.

Rain like to get facts no matter what :3 Though in its defence, This is Link before he found out what he could do to a tall, muscular guy with sumo experience. Just wanted to bring it up ^^

Rain like to get facts no matter what :3 Though in its defence, This is Link before he found out what he could do to a tall, muscular guy with sumo experience. Just wanted to bring it up ^^

You were playing TP, right? Notice how whiel the Hero's Shade tells Link he's unworthy of the Hero's tunic, Link's already tossing Gorons around like ragdolls? 😎 Link does work.

Originally posted by BloodRain
^ Bingo.

Disagree with the Goron bit, no idea of the WW Link part. Will check.

Ok, lets say for instance that everyone else is only as strong as humans. That doesnt mean anything for Kains high consistency.

Punch strength 120lbs, speed 0.25= 1 tons of force. Strength 60lbs, speed 0.17= 0.7 tons of force. Half strength (half... very low) at fast speed is only 30% less force. Now for these two, Kain 0.2second 80 ton strikes, Dante's weak fast hits (assuming he's faster by human standards) 0.15second 65 tons. Though its weaker (Note, only by human standards) the speed will mean more hits in then Kains.

In 2.0, many lol. Experts (few years not whole life), fast movements + fast RT. That would defiantly be near Kratos, guessing Link as he's a pro too. No idea about Ganon but if his TK works like i think then it wouldnt be too much trouble.

Rain like to get facts no matter what :3 Though in its defence, This is Link before he found out what he could do to a tall, muscular guy with sumo experience. Just wanted to bring it up ^^

It just means hes consistent if hes not been beaten. If he was tossing thousands of tonnes around and then a normal monkey overpowered him in a wrestle then it would be inconsistent.

Assuming he puts 65 tons of strength behind the hits, this is proven otherwise against Vergil. Quick fast hits were useless, one strong one and it actually did something, Vergil was just more skilled ofc but the point stands.

Can you show me these experts please. Kratos is not a kung fu expert and Links knowledge is on sword use, not body and mind like a martial artist.

No idea about Ganon but if his TK works like i think then it wouldnt be too much trouble.

Ganon's a crazy combatant, too, btw.

As for the speed some of these characters can fight at? Link has a cutscene where his sword attack comes out near instant (spin attack), and Ganon can reliably parry that. The actual strike comes out in less than 0.1 second, from a neutral position. I've been considering recording a video and going frame by frame at 10 FPS, but I'm lazy and lack the software I need.

I would like to see Ganon parrying it.

During the final battle with Ganondorf, if you spin attack, he'll block it almost everytime.

So gameplay, not a canon feat?

It is in gameplay, but you're missing the point.

The entire point of the last battle is to swordfight Ganondorf, Ganondorf puts up quite the fight for Link, despite three prior rounds of combat. Link can, in a canon cutscene, bring his sword from neutral to attack in less than 0.1.

How did you come to 0.1, unless your saying you can see vid times in milliseconds and count accurately?

Also thats still not a canon feat. We can only canonically state the outcome. Also lets see this Tk "on thought".

I can reasonably accurately count deciseconds. (1/10th). Years of practice beating the mailman without the bunny hood taught me that useless skill....

And you missed the point again. Ganon can keep up with a freaking excellent swordsman.

Anyway, the video Scenario posted with the light spirit and Midna and Link all getting beaten by Zant.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I can reasonably accurately count deciseconds. (1/10th). Years of practice beating the mailman without the bunny hood taught me that useless skill....

And you missed the point again. Ganon can keep up with a freaking excellent swordsman.

Anyway, the video Scenario posted with the light spirit and Midna and Link all getting beaten by Zant.

I am sure everyone in this thread can claim that in one way, shape or form.

I assume your using Zants technique to assume Ganon can do the same thing just because Zants power comes from Ganon?

Considering Zant has no powers of his own, yeah.

Ganon does the same thing when he owns Midna at the end, too.

Edit: Ok ignore Zant, Ganon has launched Midna with TK from memory. How does this stack up with him Tking someone larger, heavier etc in less than 0.2?

Well, Ganon can react to someone who can attack at around 0.1, and his TK is at the speed of thought, and more powerful than Zant's. Sooo, I think he'll do just fine.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste

Strong as maybe the strongest man at the start of his adventure. Pulling the chains to trip the huge Goron being a good example.

Originally posted by Burning thought

Then its consistent that Kains above other vampires. Though, i still believe his strength, just not sure how much above Raziel.

Thats 70% of Dante's max strength, like 80 is Kains max. And Vergil is stronger then Dante3.
Oh, 70% is not including Dante's speed.

Bruce Lees fast punch about 0.16, stated somewhere that he can react faster (like all experts) then any normal person. (faster then 0.15) No but he is a expert fighter with weapons, plus he's superhuman. Link is stated to be a swordmaster. ^ Ganons thought speed TK would catch Kain, can someone say how good his RT is?
Edit: Ganons reacting to Spin attack (RT) and hit <0.1 attack. Very good chances to catching.

*Looks into Spin attack speed*