Kratos, Link, Ganondorf, Dante vs War, Kain, LK and Bayonetta

Originally posted by Burning thought
1) you can smash the instrument and strangle link before he plays anything though.

The ocarina is pretty durable, being dropped by Majora from 20ft or more to the ground with no damage. That, and its a sacred magic treasure.

Originally posted by Burning thought
2) Were discussing how Ganons soul is fair game even if his body was invulerable.

See The Scenario's rebuttle.

Originally posted by Burning thought
No hes not, the MS has never protected his soul, dont bring no limit fallacies and assumptions into this thread as well please. [/B]

The Triforce of Courage protected his soul from being transformed into Zant's monsters in the Twilight Realm.
Quit posting about Link when you are obviously ignorant of the character's accomplishments. It makes you look dumb when you post things that are flat-out lies.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
The ocarina is pretty durable, being dropped by Majora from 20ft or more to the ground with no damage. That, and its a sacred magic treasure.

See The Scenario's rebuttle.

The Triforce of Courage protected his soul from being transformed into Zant's monsters in the Twilight Realm.
Quit posting about Link when you are obviously ignorant of the character's accomplishments. It makes you look dumb when you post things that are flat-out lies.

Wow what incredible durability 🙄

ok

No, thats called protecting his body if your talking about transformation.....

You do it all the time hypocrite.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Ganondorf has messed with his own soul several times. Aganhim was either a possessed body or a manifestation. Ganonondorf possessed Zelda and forced her to fight Link. Even Zant was given a fraction of Ganondorf's soul, which would revive both of them as long as the other was alive. How can we guarantee that anyone attempting to steal Ganondorf's soul won't be possessed? Or that he won't revive himself anyway?

If he revives himself with his spirit contained/eaten/absorbed then I would like to see when he does this.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Ganondorf has messed with his own soul several times. Aganhim was either a possessed body or a manifestation. Ganonondorf possessed Zelda and forced her to fight Link. Even Zant was given a fraction of Ganondorf's soul, which would revive both of them as long as the other was alive. How can we guarantee that anyone attempting to steal Ganondorf's soul won't be possessed? Or that he won't revive himself anyway?

There is a difference between having given and have it taken. A big difference.

Originally posted by Phantom Miria
[b]There is a difference between having given and have it taken. A big difference. [/B]

There's also a big difference between taking a soul and being possessed. The point is not that his soul was given, but that part of it was. Zant only had a fraction. Thus, Ganondorf has split his soul into at least two pieces in order to give some to Zant.

If he revives himself with his spirit contained/eaten/absorbed then I would like to see when he does this.

Wind Waker.

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This is Wind Waker's intro. It retells the story of Ocarina of Time, and then continues the Adult Timeline. To sum it up: After Link seals Ganon, Zelda sends him back in time to relive his childhood. Ganon breaks free and starts terrorizing Hyrule again, but since Link was sent back in time, there is no hero to stop Ganon. At this point the gods step and flood the world just to stop him. But he escapes, and Wind Waker happens.

However, Ganondorf is in two places at once at this point. Part of him is in the real world, but part of him is also still sealed in the Sacred Realm. When Link retrieves the Master Sword to stop Ganondorf, he accidentally unseals the rest of him. Same as the Zant example, Ganondorf's soul is in two peices. One is sealed, one is not.

Again, there's the Aganhim example. Ganon is still sealed in the Dark World, but a peice of him is either in Aganhim, or is Aganhim, who is in the real world. Two peices; one sealed, one not. There is no way to say that when someone attempts to steal his soul, that they will get all of it. Even the gods couldn't get all of him when they tried, and they sealed the entire county.

Originally posted by The Scenario
There's also a big difference between taking a soul and being possessed. The point is not that his soul was given, but that part of it was. Zant only had a fraction. Thus, Ganondorf has split his soul into at least two pieces in order to give some to Zant.

Which makes no difference, since there is still a difference between to give and have taken. Just because Ganondorf can decide how much of his soul someone should have, does not mean he can decide how much someone can take.

It does show a large degree of control. 😛

Control when you are in control.

Which he could very well be. He's got some pretty great feats of control, and his power is on a very large scale. It would be very difficult to over-power him and take control from him.

Originally posted by The Scenario
There's also a big difference between taking a soul and being possessed. The point is not that his soul was given, but that part of it was. Zant only had a fraction. Thus, Ganondorf has split his soul into at least two pieces in order to give some to Zant.

Wind Waker.

rEoRavExhfo&feature=related

This is Wind Waker's intro. It retells the story of Ocarina of Time, and then continues the Adult Timeline. To sum it up: After Link seals Ganon, Zelda sends him back in time to relive his childhood. Ganon breaks free and starts terrorizing Hyrule again, but since Link was sent back in time, there is no hero to stop Ganon. At this point the gods step and flood the world just to stop him. But he escapes, and Wind Waker happens.

However, Ganondorf is in two places at once at this point. Part of him is in the real world, but part of him is also still sealed in the Sacred Realm. When Link retrieves the Master Sword to stop Ganondorf, he accidentally unseals the rest of him. Same as the Zant example, Ganondorf's soul is in two peices. One is sealed, one is not.

Again, there's the Aganhim example. Ganon is still sealed in the Dark World, but a peice of him is either in Aganhim, or is Aganhim, who is in the real world. Two peices; one sealed, one not. There is no way to say that when someone attempts to steal his soul, that they will get all of it. Even the gods couldn't get all of him when they tried, and they sealed the entire county.

I am too lazy to watch the video atm so I will take your word for it, assuming his soul is in several people/places in the game. The piece thats controlling Ganon in this matchup is what counts, so if its taken, destroyed, removed or contained then he is defeated. Or Ofc he is incapaciated some other way, like loss of limb.

The gods of the world were unable to get all of Ganondorf's soul. What makes us think anyone else can?

Originally posted by The Scenario
The gods of the world were unable to get all of Ganondorf's soul. What makes us think anyone else can?

Because anyone else is not of that world. You need to get a new way of thinking into your head.

They would still have to show themselves as being more capable than Din, Nayru, and Farore in that respect.

I know, but that is not what was my point. The Scenario, like many other are too caught in game-specific feats. Characters that can seem of great power and importance in one game could be very insignificant in another.

It is all relative in a versus. Something many either forget or do not realize.

Originally posted by The Scenario
The gods of the world were unable to get all of Ganondorf's soul. What makes us think anyone else can?

They dont need to get it all, only the piece in this matchup, Ganon would be helpless if someone took his soul in this matchup, where the other piecies are assuming we are to beive he is going to join this match with a split soul anyway (considering the places and people his soul would be in the Zelda universe do not exist here) is irrelevent, they will not help him.

And what feats do the Gods have exactly of "attempting" to take a soul, the Gods by the sounds of it did little in comparison to Kains/Lich Kings active soul devouring powers. From what I understand they never attempted to devour or consume his soul anyway, only seal it.

Din, Farore, and Nayru are comparable to their counterparts in the Warcraft pantheon, based on a discussion I had with Q'Anilia.

Warcraft + Q'Anilia = Fact^2

That does not help, whats their feats over the soul and more importantly, what has Ganon been shown defeating?

If its a layered cake of assumptions/titles and no limit fallacies then I am not interested.

I merely skimmed the thread, but is BT making the argument that Kain can steal Ganon's soul without the blade piercing his body? Because his sword doesn't have that power.

Welcome back, Moo. I hope your time out taught you not to post other people's family photoes. D:

Edit: I'm not sure he's made that claim yet.

Oh. Guess I'd better read the whole thing then. But get ready for that. If memory serves he'll have some quote on it.