I've wondered the same question, and have not been able to find a list. By far the most common outcome is a draw is one thing I'm sure of, and while in the fights Clark tends to have the advantage, the final results is probably a lot closer to even than many people suspect.
Greg Rucka has stated she has the advantage on the ground, him in flight.
Originally posted by super pr*xy
ww does have magic based powers, yes?
Yes, most notably in some nice magic weapons.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Superman has treated her (and her magical sword) like a common street whore on more than one occasion.
I loved the story but the writer tried way too hard to make Superman a badass to the detriment of pretty much every other character he came into contact with.
What are some of the other ocassions?
Originally posted by Omega Vision
If you're referring to "For Tomorrow" then I'd like to point out that pretty much everyone got that treatment in said story. Superman treated Batman like an angry child throwing a temper tantrum and Kyle Rayner was just some hapless damsel in distress that needed Superman to rescue him from peril.I loved the story but the writer tried way too hard to make Superman a badass to the detriment of pretty much every other character he came into contact with.
What are some of the other ocassions?
And also, despite his attitude, he didn't win in the fighting, so that really doesn't say much. They fought for awhile, each getting some attacks in (and she was oddly equipped only with a little dagger instead of her sword, axe or lasso, each of which would've been better, especially the lasso since she was just trying to stop him), then she had to go save some dudes, because that's how she roles.
It was a stalemate, Sacrifice was, if anything, a win for Diana, League of One was a start of a fight then Clark getting the 'others in danger' line making him run off (while admitting actually taking him down was unlikely), and when fighting a magic *boosted* Superman who Circe made go into a blind rage and become more Doomsdayish and stronger than normal, she fought him long enough to break that enchantment too.
It's hard to think of the last time she's lost. Well, I guess in the absolutely horrible Tenth Circle he suckerpunched her in the back of the head, but then she held off a vampire-controlled Superman quite well later on.
Stalemates are the rule between the two of them and Enyalus's comment can be ignored.
Though I will note that in Elseworlds, alternate WWs tend to do horribly for some reason. It's pretty annoying.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
If you're referring to "For Tomorrow" then I'd like to point out that pretty much everyone got that treatment in said story. Superman treated Batman like an angry child throwing a temper tantrum and Kyle Rayner was just some hapless damsel in distress that needed Superman to rescue him from peril.I loved the story but the writer tried way too hard to make Superman a badass to the detriment of pretty much every other character he came into contact with.
What are some of the other ocassions?
I hope Pr knows what I'm referring to if no one else does. 😐
Originally posted by Enyalus
I was talking about....ah. I forget exactly when it occurred. I believe its volume 3 of the JLA, around Identity Crisis? Wonder Woman attacks Superman with her sword, the art shows multiple strikes with it, and Superman is standing there blocking all of them casually with one hand.I hope Pr knows what I'm referring to if no one else does. 😐
that was martian manhunter masquerading as diana, iirc.
he schooled him so bad, though.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Superman has treated her (and her magical sword) like a common street whore on more than one occasion.
i laffed.
also, speaking of whores, i want more all star batman.
Oh wait, or was that from the totally lousy The Tenth Circle story arc? I think she broke a mundane sword (i.e. not her normal enchanted blade, just one she picked up there) against him in that.
And the story does have this in it too saying they're equal. Though you can tell from the page it's not a particularly good source.
Originally posted by Q99
Oh wait, or was that from the totally lousy The Tenth Circle story arc? I think she broke a mundane sword (i.e. not her normal enchanted blade, just one she picked up there) against him in that.And the story does have this in it too saying they're equal. Though you can tell from the page it's not a particularly good source.
i think that is the same arc, yes.
i don't think one statement contradicts the comics that say otherwise, though.
not saying he's vastly superior or anything, but even gail simone agrees that he's at the very least stronger.
