Neji VS Sasuke

Originally posted by Kento
Not all the time though. And if they were going through him because of a genjutsu he wouldn't be sitting there. After all Sasuke and Itachi created genjutsu that had them seeming to be not where they were. But really Hyuuga's also have to have extremely good chakra control so them being able to break a genjutsu shouldn't be that hard even without Byakugan. That just gives them more of an ability to tell it's a genjutsu and probably can't really counter it.

It's probably a bit of both. Because clones nor genjutsu have chakra.

Well, yeah, but again, Sasuke has used genjutsu that paralyzes the opponent or at least makes them unable to move. He used a paralysis one against Orochimaru, one against Kirabi (though that was MS), and one against Shii.

Besides, it's not like he hasn't fought against someone who could 'see through' genjutsu but didn't have the Sharingan (Deidara). He used a genjutsu at the end that was able to fool Deidara, albeit, D didn't have a doujutsu.
However, he still proved capable of seeing through Sasuke's earlier genjutsus, so his left eye wasn't sub par, and it presumably functioned by checking for chakra, like the someone with the Byakugan would.

See, even though they have good chakra control, would they be able to tell their chakra levels are not normal? If they can, then sure, they can break out of it by jolting their chakra. That whole thing would still take a short amount of time though, but they are still open during that.

True. Trust Hinata to answer both of Sakura's question with one answer 😂

~ Speaking of Deidara's left eye...WTF is up with it? Sometimes it is shown as some sort of mechanical camera, while at others, it looks like a normal eye 😐

~ Speaking of Deidara's left eye...WTF is up with it? Sometimes it is shown as some sort of mechanical camera, while at others, it looks like a normal eye

I think it's a normal (albeit anti-genjutsu trained) eye which he sometimes wears an eyepiece over for magnification or what have you.

Originally posted by Q99
I think it's a normal (albeit anti-genjutsu trained) eye which he sometimes wears an eyepiece over for magnification or what have you.

Ahh, that makes sense. I'm actually glad Kishi wasn't being an idiot like he sometimes is, and that Deidara's left eye is normal.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
i dont see how kirin would help him... nejis a purely close quarters fighter... sasuke would never be able to get far enough way so that hes not injured by the large AOE kirin has.

sasuke would still win though. but AOE attacks would hurt him.

Sasuke isn't some dumb douche, he knows Neji's speciality is in close range. Neji easily has the advantage there in these stipulations, but all he has against mid range is his Heavenly Spin afaik while Sasuke has better options there. He'll try to enter mid range IMO, while starting the build-up for Kirin.

IMO, Sasuke is shown to be much faster than Neji when it comes to movement speed (screw the stats in the DB).

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Well, yeah, but again, Sasuke has used genjutsu that paralyzes the opponent or at least makes them unable to move. He used a paralysis one against Orochimaru, one against Kirabi (though that was MS), and one against Shii.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Besides, it's not like he hasn't fought against someone who could 'see through' genjutsu but didn't have the Sharingan (Deidara). He used a genjutsu at the end that was able to fool Deidara, albeit, D didn't have a doujutsu.
However, he still proved capable of seeing through Sasuke's earlier genjutsus, so his left eye wasn't sub par, and it presumably functioned by checking for chakra, like the someone with the Byakugan would.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
See, even though they have good chakra control, would they be able to tell their chakra levels are not normal? If they can, then sure, they can break out of it by jolting their chakra. That whole thing would still take a short amount of time though, but they are still open during that.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
True. Trust Hinata to answer both of Sakura's question with one answer 😂

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
~ Speaking of Deidara's left eye...WTF is up with it? Sometimes it is shown as some sort of mechanical camera, while at others, it looks like a normal eye 😐

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Sasuke isn't some dumb douche, he knows Neji's speciality is in close range. Neji easily has the advantage there in these stipulations, but all he has against mid range is his Heavenly Spin afaik while Sasuke has better options there. He'll try to enter mid range IMO, while starting the build-up for Kirin.

IMO, Sasuke is shown to be much faster than Neji when it comes to movement speed (screw the stats in the DB).

Sasuke's got more feats so of course. But we do know Neji was able to beat weightless Lee who even has more speed feats than Neji. I don't think it's so much Neji's speed more that his eyes are a weaker version of the sharingan's precog without it being actual precog like the sharingan.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix

Sasuke isn't some dumb douche, he knows Neji's speciality is in close range. Neji easily has the advantage there in these stipulations, but all he has against mid range is his Heavenly Spin afaik while Sasuke has better options there. He'll try to enter mid range IMO, while starting the build-up for Kirin.

IMO, Sasuke is shown to be much faster than Neji when it comes to movement speed (screw the stats in the DB).

but thats my point... because nejis only a CQC fighter he'll spend the entire time closing the distance between him and sasuke, he wont allow himself to get drawn into a fight at mid range. if sasuke tries to keep the fight at mid range he'll be too busy running to use any jutsu...

Considering summons seem to be still allowed, Sasuke has a hawk now. So staying at a distance will not be hard. Neither will be flying. Katon, then use Kirin.

Originally posted by Kento
Yea, there is a lot of different type of genjutsu even Shisui's controlling genjutsu. But Oro was about dead, and not really in any shape to control chakra or his body in general, Bee may or may not have good chakra control. He doesn't exactly need it so we don't know how he'd do with just normal genjutsu without his beast. I mean unlike Naruto he obviously has chakra control but it probably isn't superb to the point like a Hyuuga nor a Medninja would be. And Shii really the same way. I mean normal ninja don't have the chakra control a Hyuuga or Medninja would have either.

Oro, hmm, I suppose you have a point, but he was beaten by the same genjutsu years ago 😛. Also, I don't know about you, but I don't think the physical wounds he suffered in the fight had any effect on him when he was in Pedo-dimension.

Bee was still caught by the genjutsu, and he was incapacitated for a brief moment.
Though my entire point was that paralysis genjutsu exist. Even if Neji manages to break a genjutsu he's in, he's vulnerable during that short period of time.

Shii's a genjutsu and sensor type. He even seems to be a healer, just like Sakura, so he obviously has at least good, if not great, chakra control.

Originally posted by Kento
Eh, Deidara's ability was trained though...or helped through some unknown means wh knows....Byakugan's is more of a natural thing. I mean Deidara's ability compared to the Byakugan is probably like the normal sharingan compared to MS.

We can't say that for certain. He's trained his eye for a few years at least, and he proved capable of seeing through Sasuke's genjutsu. You cannot deny that TS Sasuke is no slacker when it comes to genjutsu 😛.

Originally posted by Kento
The thing really would depend on what type of genjutsu is being used on them. If it's paralyzing one they probably won't have the time to do anything, if it's just an illusion it really wouldn't have any effect as they attacking illusions wouldn't have any chakra and they would see the caster and probably wouldn't really hinder them much. And if it's something like Tsukiyomi from Itachi, knowing won't help and they won't be able to break out even with good chakra control more likely than not.

Of course, it does depend on what type. Sasuke has shown he can use various genjutsu though.

Yeah, I don't think anyone without the Sharingan could break out of Itachi's Tsukiyomi.

It really is in Sasuke's favour, even in these stipulations. Though that's only because Kishi has all but forgotten about Neji.

Also, which version of Sasuke is this? Hebi Sasuke without the curse mark? Or Taka Sasuke without the MS?

Originally posted by Kento
Yea, not really sure what's up with his eye at all. I've been wondering that since his first appearance.

Yeah, Q99's answer makes sense. He apparently uses some sort of telescopic device.

Originally posted by Kento
Neji has that one attack he used against Kisame that's ranged.

Sasuke's got more feats so of course. But we do know Neji was able to beat weightless Lee who even has more speed feats than Neji. I don't think it's so much Neji's speed more that his eyes are a weaker version of the sharingan's precog without it being actual precog like the sharingan.

Hmm, hold on, lemme check out the attack. On second thought, do you know which chapter that attack is in?

Well, Lee is someone who entirely relies on Taijutsu. So at some point or the other, he'll have to enter Neji's fighting range.

Also, even I don't know if Byakugan can see fast movement. There was a scene in the anime where Neji comments on Hinata's eye movements (just before their fight) and how he could see them, even though they were fast. I dunno if that is anime only.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
but thats my point... because nejis only a CQC fighter he'll spend the entire time closing the distance between him and sasuke, he wont allow himself to get drawn into a fight at mid range. if sasuke tries to keep the fight at mid range he'll be too busy running to use any jutsu...

Except Sasuke is shown to be a lot faster than Neji. He can cover more distance than Neji can in the same interval of time. He'll have the advantage if he tries to put more distance between them IMO. If Neji tries to close the distance, he also won't be able to use any jutsu.

Of course you realize, if Neji wastes time chasing down Sasuke, and Sasuke tries to put more distance, it will be nothing more than a game of tag 😛.

it would be fun to watch. 313

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Oro, hmm, I suppose you have a point, but he was beaten by the same genjutsu years ago 😛. Also, I don't know about you, but I don't think the physical wounds he suffered in the fight had any effect on him when he was in Pedo-dimension.

Bee was still caught by the genjutsu, and he was incapacitated for a brief moment.
Though my entire point was that paralysis genjutsu exist. Even if Neji manages to break a genjutsu he's in, he's vulnerable during that short period of time.

Shii's a genjutsu and sensor type. He even seems to be a healer, just like Sakura, so he obviously has at least good, if not great, chakra control.

Neji can still use a deflecting amount of chakra without actually using Kaiten. it's how he survived against Kidomaru. So unless he paralyzes him, and then can do Chidori before Neji can free himself paralyzing genjutsu won't work that well just throw Neji off his attack. Course Neji doesn't even have to be looking at Sasuke to fight, and Neji has a lot more knowledge on Sharingan than Sasuke has on Byakugan.

Hmm I forgot about this.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
We can't say that for certain. He's trained his eye for a few years at least, and he proved capable of seeing through Sasuke's genjutsu. You cannot deny that TS Sasuke is no slacker when it comes to genjutsu 😛.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Of course, it does depend on what type. Sasuke has shown he can use various genjutsu though.

Yeah, I don't think anyone without the Sharingan could break out of Itachi's Tsukiyomi.

It really is in Sasuke's favour, even in these stipulations. Though that's only because Kishi has all but forgotten about Neji.

Also, which version of Sasuke is this? Hebi Sasuke without the curse mark? Or Taka Sasuke without the MS?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Hmm, hold on, lemme check out the attack. On second thought, do you know which chapter that attack is in?

Well, Lee is someone who entirely relies on Taijutsu. So at some point or the other, he'll have to enter Neji's fighting range.

Also, even I don't know if Byakugan can see fast movement. There was a scene in the anime where Neji comments on Hinata's eye movements (just before their fight) and how he could see them, even though they were fast. I dunno if that is anime only.

He's pretty far away, for the fact he's a close range fighter for the most part.

But if Neji gets a hit on Sasuke with his gentle fist style then Sasuke won't be doing much of anything. But Neji doesn't have many feats to actually say what he can or can't do. Obviously he's gotten much stronger to become Jonin but besides the Kisame fight he doesn't have any fight shown as against himself the fight is off-panel. But his Kaiten doesn't seem to have gotten bigger in the holes when shown.

But Oro gets weak against Sharingan. Besides Sasuke's eyes have always said to be superior to Itachi's so that was just dumb on Oro's part.

Not in all ways. Itachi has the better Tsukiyomi (though Sasuke is at least as good if not better at genjutsu defense, breaking free of it), Sasuke seems better at Amaterasu, Itachi was better with Susano'o.

Originally posted by Q99
Not in all ways. Itachi has the better Tsukiyomi (though Sasuke is at least as good if not better at genjutsu defense, breaking free of it), Sasuke seems better at Amaterasu, Itachi was better with Susano'o.

... Under what grounds are they better?

Other than because Oro said so I mean. 😐

They were in a body he could conceivably pluck them from? 🙂

Maybe he was just being optimistic.

Originally posted by NemeBro
... Under what grounds are they better?

Other than because Oro said so I mean. 😐

But in seriousness I'm almost certain Sasuke eyes being superior than Itachi's has been stated by Madara also or at least somewhere else not just by Oro. But I don't feel like looking to check.

Originally posted by Kento
But Oro gets weak against Sharingan. Besides Sasuke's eyes have always said to be superior to Itachi's so that was just dumb on Oro's part. He could have killed Sasuke but didn't.

True, he could have killed Sasuke had he wanted, but he wanted Sasuke's body. Besides, Sasuke already admitted his victory against Orochimaru was due to his poor health.

I believe Sasuke's eyes were said to have the potential to be better than Itachi's...or that Sasuke had the potential to surpass Itachi. Though yeah, I think that Sasuke's 3-tomoe was better than Itachi's 3-tomoe.

Originally posted by Kento
Neji can still use a deflecting amount of chakra without actually using Kaiten. it's how he survived against Kidomaru. So unless he paralyzes him, and then can do Chidori before Neji can free himself paralyzing genjutsu won't work that well just throw Neji off his attack. Course Neji doesn't even have to be looking at Sasuke to fight, and Neji has a lot more knowledge on Sharingan than Sasuke has on Byakugan.

Ehh, I don't know if that'll work on an attack like Chidori Spear. Kidomaru's arrows were physical, Chidori spear is focused Raiton-chakra.

You can't just assume Sasuke does not have any knowledge on the Byakugan. Sure, Neji will have knowledge on the Sharingan (given how Gai is gay-obsessed with Kakashi 😛), but Sasuke could have learned something about the Byakugan during his time with Kakashi. I mean, we obviously don't know everything he learnt at the hands of Kakashi.
Not to mention, Oro probably told him about it as well.

Originally posted by Kento
Hmm I forgot about this.

Damn right you did 😛. It could have been an MS jutsu, but Sasuke was shown with the regular Sharingan.

Originally posted by Kento
I can say it for certain because it's the Byakugan. No other reason is need. 😆

but...he's up against Sharingan hax.

Originally posted by Kento
Though only one kind would really serve any purpose. And that's forgetting that Neji has at least some knowledge on not looking at a Sharingan users eyes. He is after all always around Gai who always talks about Kakashi, and he's also seen what Sasuke can do while Sasuke has pretty much zero knowledge on what a Hyuuga can do. That might help Neji out a lot being Gai's pupil and knowing how Gai would fight Kakashi.

Again, we don't know if Sasuke has zero knowledge. Orochimaru must know about the Byakugan, and he would have passed on that knowledge to his favourite underling.

You think Guy would have trained him to look at Sasuke's feet? He might have, though I don't know if it would be any good against an opponent that is around as fast as Lee.

Originally posted by Kento
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v29/c256/7.html

He's pretty far away, for the fact he's a close range fighter for the most part.

But if Neji gets a hit on Sasuke with his gentle fist style then Sasuke won't be doing much of anything. But Neji doesn't have many feats to actually say what he can or can't do. Obviously he's gotten much stronger to become Jonin but besides the Kisame fight he doesn't have any fight shown as against himself the fight is off-panel. But his Kaiten doesn't seem to have gotten bigger in the holes when shown.

True, which is why I said Neji has a huge advantage in CQC, and that Sasuke will want to stay mid-range. He's perfectly capable of staying in said range, given how he's shown to be faster.
Also, even if Neji does get into close range, what stops Sasuke from using Chidori Nagashi? I don't think Neji would be able to stop an attack like that.

That attack is pretty much pure chakra. Sasuke will probably see that coming from the moment Neji uses the attack.

~ Meh, you already said that Sasuke wins, so why are you debating anyway? C'mon man, I understand you hate Sasuke and love the Byakugan, but this is stupid 😛.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Ehh, I don't know if that'll work on an attack like Chidori Spear. Kidomaru's arrows were physical, Chidori spear is focused Raiton-chakra.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
You can't just assume Sasuke does not have any knowledge on the Byakugan. Sure, Neji will have knowledge on the Sharingan (given how Gai is gay-obsessed with Kakashi 😛), but Sasuke could have learned something about the Byakugan during his time with Kakashi. I mean, we obviously don't know everything he learnt at the hands of Kakashi.
Not to mention, Oro probably told him about it as well.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
but...he's up against Sharingan hax.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
You think Guy would have trained him to look at Sasuke's feet? He might have, though I don't know if it would be any good against an opponent that is around as fast as Lee.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
True, which is why I said Neji has a huge advantage in CQC, and that Sasuke will want to stay mid-range. He's perfectly capable of staying in said range, given how he's shown to be faster.
Also, even if Neji does get into close range, what stops Sasuke from using Chidori Nagashi? I don't think Neji would be able to stop an attack like that.

That attack is pretty much pure chakra. Sasuke will probably see that coming from the moment Neji uses the attack.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
~ Meh, you already said that Sasuke wins, so why are you debating anyway? C'mon man, I understand you hate Sasuke and love the Byakugan, but this is stupid 😛.

lol, if not for the nerfing Neji would die from one Amaterasu... Sasuke doesn't even need Susanoo.

Eh, with Kaiten it's possible to block Amaterasu.

How? Sasuke can just have it appear in the center of the vortex, since it manifests wherever he's looking at.