Originally posted by Q99
One of the best of the time, but I don't think he got an 'in order's history' compliment like she did. Nor do I see him doing nearly as well against Galen.Personally I see Shaak-Ti as around Obi-Wan level, maybe even a bit higher.
That's utterly ridiculous. She got owned by Grevious over and over. I really don't understand where this impression that she was all that good came from.
well, considering Fisto beat grievous, that would put Shaak-Ti below fisto. And Kenobi obviously. Cin Drillig was the battle-master, which means he was the best swordsmen in the order. (according to quote from the SW RPG handbook.)
Shaak Ti losing to Galen, is actually a knock on her, not really a boon.
i still dont understand why though... i mean thats the problem with using that a > b > c type of logic... when obi-wan fought greivous he had the benefit of being fully rested... i dont remember kit fistos circumstances, but i do know that the second time shaak ti fought greivous shed fought a dozen+ magnadroids at once minutes before hand and prior to that had run several miles... im just really not seeing how thw abc logic can be applicable here.
edit- i just rewatched the scene... she didnt destroy them all they stopped fighting after awhile but she destroyed quite a few and there at least twenty and they were attacking her at the same time. also at one point she was fighting them with her hands... very impressive.
yeah dunno. she strikes me as one of the best of the PT in all honesty.
like who? to my recollection shes been defeated by greivous twice, both times of which had extenuating circumstances behind them, and then to galen who is one of the most powerful raw force users in the entire mythos, and even then he just barely won...
thats a more impressive resume in itself than many people who are held in high regard, fisto maul anoon mundi drallig etc. she at the least has some notable feats in her corner as opposed to some empty quotes and hearsay 😬
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
like who? to my recollection shes been defeated by greivous twice, both times of which had extenuating circumstances behind them, and then to galen who is one of the most powerful raw force users in the entire mythos, and even then he just barely won...
thats a more impressive resume in itself than many people who are held in high regard, fisto maul anoon mundi drallig etc. she at the least has many feats in her corner as opposed to some empty quotes and hearsay 😬
Originally posted by ares834
[B]But none of those are that impressive.
they arent impressive any more than they are proof of her mediocrity, which was my point. none of the losses shes suffered were low showings.
Regardless, Galen was hardly at full power when he battled her.
still powerful enough to easily whip out abilities that put him above pretty much every jedi in the pt except for yoda sideous and maybe mace... so its inconsequential when referring to shaak ti.
SUre more impressive than Anoon and perhaps Drallig. But Fisto, Maul, and Mundi all have their own impressive feats. I mean Fisto "beat" Greivous, Mundi managed to hold of Grievous, and Maul defeated Anoon and Qui-Gon.
qui-gon is a featless wonder, anoon is a featless wonder. defeating either is not an impressive showing,a nd in the end maul did not have the reflexes nescesarry to avoid being chopped in half by a Padawan. hes a clown, a beastly clown with beautiful abs, but a clown none the less. mundi managed to hold off grievous for what 30 seconds longer than shaak ti before he lost? thats not that impressive either, especially when you consider that he was overrun by 5 or 6 clones firing at him while shaak ti managed to fend off 20+ magnagaurds coming at her from all angles, at one point using only her fists... and this was, again, after jumping off a skyscraper, jumping off a moving ship, fighting grievous and mangagaurds while dodging trains... etc.
i know fisto embarrassed greivous. i dont remember the context to that though so i cant comment.
Originally posted by Ms.Marvelstill powerful enough to easily whip out abilities that put him above pretty much every jedi in the pt except for yoda sideous and maybe mace... so its inconsequential when referring to shaak ti.
qui-gon is a featless wonder, anoon is a featless wonder.
i know fisto embarrassed greivous. i dont remember the context to that though so i cant comment.
Fisto has several feats and accolades actually
What you are lacking is any actual evidence that Shaak Ti is elite. You are coming up with arguments why NO ONE is elite, but you aren't giving any actual evidence for Shaak Ti herself.
"elite" is completely relative in itself... something can only be elite when it is compared to others... so trying to prove that shaak ti is "elite" by herself would be an exercise in futility. that is like saying that i am the smartest person in this room even though there is no one in here but me... i cant be the smartest if there is no one around who is more stupid.
Like others have said, losing to Grevious doesn't say a lot considering he came in after she fought a *lot* of tough Magnadroids. It's not a fresh showing.
In the comics, she does well, in TFU she's formidable and lets herself die, her grace is mentioned in the same breath as *Dooku* and Obi-Wan considers her the most cunning Jedi in the order.
Originally posted by truejedi
But Yoda and Mace consider Kenobi the most cunning Jedi in the order.
Which does fit, it's not like Kenobi would count himself, and if she taught him quite a few tricks like he said, he likely surpassed her.
Still, that puts her at second in cunning. If she's second in cunning, second in grace behind Dooku, master of two combat forms, probably the best HtH fighter (though to be fair it's not like we see other Jedi go unarmed very much, let alone against magnaguard), and strong enough in the force to take control of a planet that's rich in both sides, that's a whole lot of stuff she's good at.
Originally posted by Q99
...probably the best HtH fighter (though to be fair it's not like we see other Jedi go unarmed very much, let alone against magnaguard)...
Ok, ok... stop!!! I was with you for awhile there. But where in the blue hell do you get that she's the best "HtH" fighter? I'd wager that Mace is the best "HtH" fighter in the order. I know Ti's a great "HtH" fighter, but the best? Come on now!!!
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Ok, ok... stop!!! I was with you for awhile there. But where in the blue hell do you get that she's the best "HtH" fighter? I'd wager that Mace is the best "HtH" fighter in the order. I know Ti's a great "HtH" fighter, but the best? Come on now!!!
How about this: The only Jedi of the order at the time who seems to be shown fighting in HtH much, at least that I've seen.
When Obi-Wan and Dooku were disarmed in Clone Wars (CGI one), they... did not impress, getting captured by dudes with blasters they could've handled if they had half a saber between them.
Who else among the skilled force users uses HtH much?
Mace... Jinsoku Takai just said that...
Before Vastor could even focus his eyes, Mace had hit him six times: two thundering hooks to his short ribs, a knee slamming hard into the same thigh he'd hit before, an elbow snapping up to the point of his chin, and two devastating palm strikes to either hinge of his jaw.
An ordinary man would have been unconscious.
...
Then he [Mace] hit Vastor twice in the nose before the lor pelek could even blink.