Batman vs. Nite Owl
Keaton's Batman vs. Nite Owl (Watchmen)
No opening story. Just two scenarios.
1) H2H at the Gotham Cathedral where the final fight took place. Both are in full costume and have their conventional weapons (shurikens, batarangs, etc).
2) The Batwing vs. Archie (The Owl Ship) in a mid-air dog fight.
Batman blocks bullets and can punch threw the Batmobile(if feats from "Returns" are allowed). Even discounting "Returns"(or the other films in the Batman Anthology, as they are the same character). Batman is still faster(in terms of reaction time) and at least as strong, durable, and skilled as Nite-Owl.
Keaton's Batman was good, truth be told.
Nite Owl, despite his obvious "Batman" reference, was bad ass, in his own right.
Nite Owl has more brutal methods. Just look at what he and Silk Spectre did to the street toughs in the alley fight.
Batman may fight dirty, but even he has morals.
Nite Owl seemed to have none.
H2H: Nite Owl 10/10. That's spite and anyone who sees otherwise......
Dogfight: Nite Owl 8/10. Much more advanced aircraft. We didn't see missiles but it has miniguns. Dan could run into the jet on purpose and kill Bruce. The thing went down to one bullet and when it crash landed it seemed messed up. Archie crashed in Antartica and was still capable of flight. Quite frankly, I don't believe it sustained much damage. It's also bulletproof from small-calibers, whereas Bruce's jet isn't it seems. Not to mention his targeting system isn't the greatest. Whereas Dan displayed pinpoint accuracy.
Nite Owl, and all of the Watchmen for that matter, are on a completely different level than Keaton's Batman.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
H2H: Nite Owl 10/10. That's spite and anyone who sees otherwise......Nite Owl, and all of the Watchmen for that matter, are on a completely different level than Keaton's Batman.
You're joking right? Batman can block bullets and punch threw metal. Walks off plane wrecks and multi-story falls.
The only Watchman(Manhatten aside of course) that may be able to hang with him. In a fight would be Veidt and frankly not even Ozy's feats realy measure up. It took every thing Adrian had to block/catch a bullet and even then 1) it still knocked on his keister and 2) we can't even be sure he did actually catch it. Batman's bullet block was with out signicicant effort.
Originally posted by Nightstick
You're joking right? Batman can block bullets and punch threw metal. Walks off plane wrecks and multi-story falls.The only Watchman(Manhatten aside of course) that may be able to hang with him. In a fight would be Veidt and frankly not even Ozy's feats realy measure up. It took every thing Adrian had to block/catch a bullet and even then 1) it still knocked on his keister and 2) we can't even be sure he did actually catch it. Batman's bullet block was with out signicicant effort.
Don't forget the awesome blocking of very fast (and skilled) sword strikes. I say Batman takes this.
Did you people fail to watch the part where Dan and Laurie were bending thugs shin bones inward with a mere kick. The guy's kick literally sent a guy flying into a wall. He's much more faster, skilled, and agile than Keaton's Batman.
Batman had his ass handed to him by one of Joker's thugs in the church.
Any of the Watchmen would have literally killed him in combat.
I think Nite Owl is more skilled in H2H combat. regardless of, batmans, mystical ninja training. Nite Owl simply kicked more ass in the H2H department or at least looked better doing it lol. Batman, imo has proved to be far more resourceful and his gadgets are just more practical and deadly. With everything considered, i think Nite Owl goes down rather quickly. However, if this were a simple street fight between the two with no gadgets or suits i'd give it to Nite Owl, hands down.
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNxBatman has no gadget that would give Dan trouble; on the other hand, Dan does.
I think Nite Owl is more skilled in H2H combat. regardless of, batmans, mystical ninja training.
This is Burton's Batman, not Nolan's. No training or anything resembling ninja was alluded to.
keatons batman was vastly superior to nolans though... so im not sure how thats relevant.
as already pointed out dude was deflecting bullets with his hands... there really is nothing that can counter that, regardless of who gave him a hard time and who didnt.
and yes, wolverine would solo keaton, baleman, and the watchmen. but thats for another time.
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
as already pointed out dude was deflecting bullets with his hands... there really is nothing that can counter that, regardless of who gave him a hard time and who didnt.
Not sure why everyone thinks with the exception of two feats that Keaton Batman>Bale's.
The deflecting of a bullet feat could have been a skill learned, I highly doubt he's that fast. Analogy: Preston dodges bullets because of his gun-katas, not b/c he's superhumanly fast. Same could be applied here.
Wolverine is a plot device, do not confuse him with actual fleshed out characters.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
Might be Veidt? Please......
Based on feats, yes. Batman has a good chance at taking out Veidt. He has better reaction feats, better strength feats, and better durability feats.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
Nite Owl is faster than Batman, alot more skilled, can move better, and has a laser that will carve his signature in Batmabn's heart.
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Perhaps you missed it the first time, but Batman blocking a bullet puts his reaction speed. Far above anything we have seen from Nite Owl. Skill wise, they were both able to eliminate large crowds of opponents with relative ease. While the actor(s) in the Bat Suit had trouble moving their is no indication that Batman himself did. Batman can dodge massed gunfire and block bullets, Dan's raygun isn't going to do much. Even at a distance. Batman will just make him eat batarang or grappling hook.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
All of the Watchmen would do Keaton's Batman in.
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I suppose, you have feats to back up this assertion?
Originally posted by Darth Martin
Did you not see him get his ass handed to him by one of Joker's thugs? Miss that? [/B]
Assuming you mean the Cathedral fight. Said thug was not alone or did you miss all the rest of Jokers goons that Batman disposed of before squaring off with the big guy. Did you also miss that the fight took place after Batman was involved in a plane wreck. So even not a 100% he went threw half a dozen guys. Nite Owl, has nothing in terms of feats to compare to that.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
Did you people fail to watch the part where Dan and Laurie were bending thugs shin bones inward with a mere kick. The guy's kick literally sent a guy flying into a wall. He's much more faster, skilled, and agile than Keaton's Batman.
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Batman hit a guy with enough force to send fim flying over a car. In "Returns" he punched threw the floor plating of the Batmobile, while from an akward seated position vs Dan breaking bones from a proper hitting/fighting position. So once again Batman trumps Nite Owl. Feat wise.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
Not sure why everyone thinks with the exception of two feats that Keaton Batman>Bale's.
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Keaton Batman is better. He is faster, stronger, general does better in direct combat, can pull the stealth card just as well when it suits him, and is at least as durable.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
The deflecting of a bullet feat could have been a skill learned, I highly doubt he's that fast. Analogy: Preston dodges bullets because of his gun-katas, not b/c he's superhumanly fast. Same could be applied here.
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Preston doesn't dodge bullets. He puts himself in places where bullets are statistacly speaking not going to be. Others in movies/comics dodge the aim of the shooter. Neither of these are what Batman did. He deflected a bullet, by moving his arm after it was(the bullet) fired. Big difference and yes it makes him, at least in real world terms superhumanly fast. And it trumps the hell out of any feat Nite Owl or any of the Watchman(exluding Manhatten) have.