Grey Fox (Metal Gear) vs Ghor (Metroid Prime 3)

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Rundas was able to destroy Pirate assault vehicles on Norion much faster than Samus did though. His ice one-shotted them.

That's cause it's a cutscene, most of the baddies you face in Metroid, Samus would one shot.

Originally posted by Cyner
That's cause it's a cutscene, most of the baddies you face in Metroid, Samus would one shot.

Exactly. You ever notice Samus jumps much higher in cutscenes? Or that the Power Beam, the weakest one, can toss a Pirate a good 20 feet backwards with an uncharged shot? That actually happens to Ghor at one point, as well. In a cutscene of Metroid Prime: Hunters, Samus can jump hundreds of feet in morphball form (compared to maybe 2 feet in game.)

Ghor, in cutscene, managed to break the armor of Samus' ship, which is capable of FTL travel. He also picked it up and threw it. He fought a Berserker Knight in melee and broke its phazite armor. When he wasn't in his armor, a few shots of the Power Beam lifted him off his feet and tossed him pretty well. However, his Plasma Beam severed the Aurora Unit's network, so it's still pretyt powerful.

Originally posted by The Scenario
But she doesn't exactly lose the reaction time needed to move and shoot at supersonic speeds.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Of course, in the Manga she moves that fast ALL THE TIME.

Originally posted by Cyner
That's cause it's a cutscene, most of the baddies you face in Metroid, Samus would one shot.

But yeah, Samus's Power Beam is greatly exaggerated and everything in the cutscenes.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
I call that a gameplay mechanic.

I wouldn't. It's not exactly a neceassary part of the game. Besides, why wouldn't they be?

The Speed Booster is faster than sound. That's a fact. Samus is able to maneuver, as well as aim, while in the Speed Booster. That's another fact. Therefore, Samus can maneuver and aim while moving faster than sound. Her reaction time is faster than sound.

As fast as the Speed Booster? Uh, no she doesn't, unless we were reading a different manga.

I suppose it depends on how fast you want say outrunning a blaster is.

http://www.onemanga.com/Metroid/3/16/
http://www.onemanga.com/Metroid/3/17/

As well as moving faster than one of her partners could see.

http://www.onemanga.com/Metroid/3/18/

But yeah, Samus's Power Beam is greatly exaggerated and everything in the cutscenes.

How do we know it's exaggerated? It could simply be weaker in gameplay instead of stronger in cutscenes.

It's like the difference between gameplay Dante and cutscene Dante. Which one is more canon?

The moving faster than her partner could see looks like it could be for the lulz, but I would agree cutscenes > gameplay.

I don't think he meant exaggerated as in overblown, btw, nor do I think he was denying the cutscene.

Originally posted by The Scenario
I wouldn't. It's not exactly a neceassary part of the game.

Originally posted by The Scenario
The Speed Booster is faster than sound. That's a fact.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The moving faster than her partner could see looks like it could be for the lulz

And outrunning a blaster does not equal moving at the speed of sound.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I don't think he meant exaggerated as in overblown, btw, nor do I think he was denying the cutscene.

We still have yet to see Samus with the Speed Booster in an actual cutscene anyway, let alone aiming & shooting while using it in one.

And no, Haloid doesn't count. lol

LOL, I had someone use Haloid as evidence in a debate once. I facepalmed so hard I think I left a scar. 🙁

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime

A fact? Show me where it's mentioned in the games, manuals, or whatever then, because if it's not stated there (which I don't recall it being), then it's all just speculation on your part.

Metroid Fusion manual, as well as the Metroid Zero Mission manual.

http://metroid-database.com/m4/mfmanual.txt

That's a transcribing of Metroid Fusion's manual.

SPEED BOOSTER
Dash at supersonic speeds and crash through certain barriers and enemies.
Press and hold the + Control Pad in the direction you want to dash.

I'm also holding Zero Mission manual right now, and while I can't scan it, it says much the same thing. Page 26 (in mine, at least) if anyone else wants to check.

Speed Booster
With this power up, Samus is able to dash at supersonic speeds and crash through barriers and enemies. Press and hold + in the direction you want to dash.
If there is not enough space to build up speed, Samus cannot dash

So, yeah. Speed Booster is confirmed supersonic by at least two sources. Only one of which I could provide evvidence for, but whatever.

Or that her partner was a bit of a slowpoke.

And outrunning a blaster does not equal moving at the speed of sound.

Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't.

Maybe not, but Samus moving at least one hundred feet (a distance requiring binoculars to see clearly) before the blaster shots moved two feet (to hit the girl) is fairly impressive.

We still have yet to see Samus with the Speed Booster in an actual cutscene anyway, let alone aiming & shooting while using it in one.

But now we have a canon statement from two manuals stating that the Speed Booster is supersonic. That should be enough to prove Samus' reaction time.

All right, I guess I'll concede to that point, as I only paid attention to the Super Metroid manual for the most part, which did not state anything about supersonic speed like the MF and ZM manuals did for some reason.

Still, she never moved faster than the speed of sound in the manga. If she did, we would've seen those after-images of herself she leaves behind while running/jumping.

And it doesn't take that kind of movement to outrun a blaster, like I said.

Back on topic though, I guess we can all mostly agree that Ghor pretty much beats the Grey Fox.

unless there is more that ghor is capable of that isn't shown in the game, fox takes this. he is stronger, faster, an expert in battle fields, and can cut through just about anything

while i still am not wholly convinced that Fox would lose, i will concede the fact that Ghor in super saiyan mode will be difficult for fox to the point where he would lose

Originally posted by menokokoro
unless there is more that ghor is capable of that isn't shown in the game, fox takes this. he is stronger, faster, an expert in battle fields, and can cut through just about anything

The is no possible way Grey Fox is stronger than Ghor. Faster, sure, but not stronger. Ghor picked up and tossed a 165 ton ship, which he also managed to damage pretty badly. He broke through a Berserker Knight's phazite armor with a punch. Besides, his plasma beam can cut through nearly anything, too.

Fun fact: Ghor's armor also doubles as his starship. This means that it, among other things, can withstand atmospheric reentry and FTL travel. Not to mention the fact that Metroid tech is on a level approaching that of Warhammer 40,000. As I'm sure everyone has seen by now, Ghor takes hits from missiles regularly, and shrugs off most energy weapons easily. I doubt that Grey Fox can damage him severely enough to win before getting hit with a homing missile, plasma beam, or whatever type of blade Ghor wields.

fox did hold up a stomp from Rex which was much bigger than Ghor, not to mention the force combined with weight, combined with whatever strength it has. I say Fox is pretty strong

I must've missed that part of the video, then. Still, two more stomps and he was down for good, and the Metal Gear's laser was enough to remove his arm. It would would only take one plasma beam or a few missiles for Ghor to win.