Originally posted by Mindset
Is Man-Thing supposed to be especially heavy?
he is mostly plant matter and wet.... 😐
i am not to sure what is the heaviest thing that DP has thrown but he has casually tossed various Meta's one comes to mind Ironfist...
but Wolverine has thrown Black cat toward a hovering Chopper as well with one arm while in the ocean...
Originally posted by Mindsethe's massive, but do you see deadpool being able to do that? I think the way the characters are being written Remender is trying to depict ranks increase in strength, but like i said nothing is concrete right now.
Is Man-Thing supposed to be especially heavy?
and to wild shadow, man-thing is definitely heavier than blackcat....
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/51843/1028373-prv3811_pg9_super.jpg, but that's a wolverine feat anyway so i dunno why you brought it up.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
FrankenCastle can teleport? 😕
ANd Deadpool used his device against Cyclops recently so he can use it during battle. But I think both of their devices need recharge time.
Man-thing weighs 500 lbs..
Originally posted by TrackzSK is not the best example, you should read their previous encounter where Deadpool actually wanted to fight Frank instead of just trying to get him to stop, it didn't last long.
I know, this is one of those fights that could lead to a lot of assumptions and insinuations, based on how punisher did in their first fight, it would appear deadpool only holds healing above him, with punisher now being stronger/faster/more durable, you would think he would be able to tank through deadpool but we'll see once he hits mainstream marvel.Frankencastle is definitely the stronger though, he's gotten faster (and he was fast enough to keep up with deadpool in their suicide kings fight) plus he can tank most of what DP can throw at him, In my opinion Frankencastle has the edge, but nothing is concrete at this point, like i said we'll see once he hits mainstream marvel (especially in the team-up where deadpool is tasked with taking him out)
Originally posted by SamZED
SK is not the best example, you should read their previous encounter where Deadpool actually wanted to fight Frank instead of just trying to get him to stop, it didn't last long.
That doesn't prove anything. That verison of Punisher its not based on Darl Reign Punisher who is arguably the toughest Punisher ever written I explained that already.
I already said theres a fine line between wanting to kill somebody and beat the crap out of them.
Originally posted by SamZED
And I have to disagree with you on speed, strength here isn't much of a factor, but Frankencastle hasn't done anything yet to suggest that he's anywhere near as fast as DP, let alone faster.
He doesnt need to both Daken and Kraven have superhuman speed did Punisher have a problem fighting them?
Originally posted by DeadlineWe're doing this again? He's just written slightly tougher than before, and not really tougher than his old best showings were. There was no official upgrade, nothing like that so you can't just ignore the previous fight.
That doesn't prove anything. That verison of Punisher its not based on Darl Reign Punisher who is arguably the toughest Punisher ever written I explained that already.
Originally posted by DeadlineHe didn't even try to beat the crap outta him, Punisher was the one doing all the beating, he punched Deadpool, kicked him, jumped at him and started beating him in the face and bit him. All Deadpool did was grab his head and hit it once into the ground to knock some sense into him, after that DP didn't make any attempt to continue the fight, that was all the "fighting" Deadpool did, if you read his other books you know what he's capable when he's actually fighting.
I already said theres a fine line between wanting to kill somebody and beat the crap out of them.
Originally posted by DeadlineThat's an A>B>C logic. Deadpool isn't Kraven. He's moved so fast on some occasions superhumans weren't able to track his movement, if we go by ABC logic I can say that the guy beat Wolverine several times, fought Daredevil and Silver Sable at the same time, dominated Sabertooth in a fight twice, fought IF and a bunch of other avengers at the same time etc etc My post was a responce to Trackz saying that FC is faster, which isn't true. That's all my post was.He doesnt need to both Daken and Kraven have superhuman speed did Punisher have a problem fighting them?
Originally posted by SamZED
We're doing this again? He's just written slightly tougher than before, and not really tougher than his old best showings were. There was no official upgrade, nothing like that so you can't just ignore the previous fight.
Know he wasn't written slightly tougher he was written significantly tougher. He fought Daken with a broken leg, feel free to give examples of other feats that are comparable. Thats not the only look at his damage soak in the Punisher annual...insane.
Originally posted by SamZED
He didn't even try to beat the crap outta him, Punisher was the one doing all the beating, he punched Deadpool, kicked him, jumped at him and started beating him in the face and bit him. All Deadpool did was grab his head and hit it once into the ground to knock some sense into him, after that DP didn't make any attempt to continue the fight, that was all the "fighting" Deadpool did, if you read his other books you know what he's capable when he's actually fighting.
Again you are making assumptions. Punisher did well so DP wasn't trying to beat the crap out of him.
Originally posted by SamZED
That's an A>B>C logic. Deadpool isn't Kraven. He's moved so fast on some occasions superhumans weren't able to track his movement, if we go by ABC logic I can say that the guy beat Wolverine several times, fought Daredevil and Silver Sable at the same time, dominated Sabertooth in a fight twice, fought IF and a bunch of other avengers at the same time etc etc My post was a responce to Trackz saying that FC is faster, which isn't true. That's all my post was.
No its not ABC logic you don't just get to throw around ABC logic when you feel like it. They only fought twice and the second verison was signifcantly tougher.
Originally posted by DeadlineBeating the crap outta Bullseye? Putting up a fight against Daredevil? There are many examples, this isn't much harder than putting up a fight against Daken who's not using pheromones. Heck, the moment Daken stopped using pheromones on Deadpool, Wade pretty much knocked him out with ONE lazy kick and that's concidering he had NO ARMS and one of his legs were injured. So it's not that tougher, his damagesoak was always crazy.
Know he wasn't written slightly tougher he was written significantly tougher. He fought Daken with a broken leg, feel free to give examples of other feats that are comparable. Thats not the only look at his damage soak in the Punisher annual...insane.
Originally posted by DeadlineIm not making any assumptions, im stating the obvious, you've seen Deadpool throw a single punch or a kick? Or even TRY to? He was defending himself and once tried to knock some sense into Frank. That was IT, no other attempts to hurt him. Ill never be able to convince you I know that but please tell me this - if there was a fight between Frank and some peak human where Frank instead of his usual attacks, kicks, punches and throws was just staying there without making any real attempts to fight back and trying to end the fight he didnt want in the first place and some forum member told you that that was Frank fighting to his fullest potential even though it's 100% clear he wasn't eaven trying you'd agree with the member?
Again you are making assumptions. Punisher did well so DP wasn't trying to beat the crap out of him.
Originally posted by DeadlineAnd the second version of Deadpool wasn't fighting back, big difference. Again, my post was concerning speed. And it's safe to say FrankenCastle hasn't yet displayed anything to put him on the same level with Deadpool.No its not ABC logic you don't just get to throw around ABC logic when you feel like it. They only fought twice and the second verison was signifcantly tougher.
Originally posted by SamZED
Beating the crap outta Bullseye? Putting up a fight against Daredevil? There are many examples, this isn't much harder than putting up a fight against Daken who's not using pheromones. Heck, the moment Daken stopped using pheromones on Deadpool, Wade pretty much knocked him out with ONE lazy kick and that's concidering he had NO ARMS and one of his legs were injured. So it's not that tougher, his damagesoak was always crazy.
Did Punisher have a broken leg in any of those examples and was he previoulsy wounded before the fights? Im pretty sure there are other examples of Dakens fighting prowress.
Originally posted by SamZED
Im not making any assumptions, im stating the obvious, you've seen Deadpool throw a single punch or a kick? Or even TRY to? He was defending himself and once tried to knock some sense into Frank. That was IT, no other attempts to hurt him. Ill never be able to convince you I know that but please tell me this - if there was a fight between Frank and some peak human where Frank instead of his usual attacks, kicks, punches and throws was just staying there without making any real attempts to fight back and trying to end the fight he didnt want in the first place and some forum member told you that that was Frank fighting to his fullest potential even though it's 100% clear he wasn't eaven trying you'd agree with the member?
DP obvoulsy wasn't trying to kill Punisher, but when you are fighting somebody with your fists its a fine line between killing and beating. Of course DP was trying his best bar killing him. He knew Punisher wanted to kill him he may not have used lethal force but he was trying to put him down.
Originally posted by SamZED
And the second version of Deadpool wasn't fighting back, big difference. Again, my post was concerning speed. And it's safe to say FrankenCastle hasn't yet displayed anything to put him on the same level with Deadpool.
He doesn't need to.
Originally posted by DeadlineYou're looking into it too much. Wounded or not, he didn't display any fighting abilities he didn't already have years ago. And fighting after getting wounded isn't something new for him ether.
Did Punisher have a broken leg in any of those examples and was he previoulsy wounded before the fights? Im pretty sure there are other examples of Dakens fighting prowress.
Originally posted by DeadlineI see what you mean, but that's the thing, Deadpool didn't use his fists, there's also a big line between fighting someone with everything you've got because you want to beat him and being dragged into a pointless fight you don't want and defending yoursel while trying to stop it. Deadpool wasn't trying to put Frank down, knowing Deadpool he was hoping for a team-up. When Deadpool doesn't want to kill but is REALLY willing to put someone down h2h its hard not to notice.
DP obvoulsy wasn't trying to kill Punisher, but when you are fighting somebody with your fists its a fine line between killing and beating. Of course DP was trying his best bar killing him. He knew Punisher wanted to kill him he may not have used lethal force but he was trying to put him down.
Originally posted by DeadlineCouldn't hurt either concidering how fast Deadpool is.
He doesn't need to.
Originally posted by SamZEDstrength is always a factor in a fight, i dunno people get the impression that speed is the defining factor, but deadpool isn't faster then punisher (unless i don't think he is) by any significant margin that would all how to run circles around frank. Even if he has a slight speed advantage, a strength advantage by frank would even it out, but anyway we don't know enough for a final verdict.
SK is not the best example, you should read their previous encounter where Deadpool actually wanted to fight Frank instead of just trying to get him to stop, it didn't last long.
And I have to disagree with you on speed, strength here isn't much of a factor, but Frankencastle hasn't done anything yet to suggest that he's anywhere near as fast as DP, let alone faster.
Frank has stated that DD is too fast for him and hates his ninja fighting style and DD can out react frank countering his attacks,...
DD is olympic why would frank do better when he is fighting a enhanced human all around who actually willing to kill?
he only survives due to PIS and writer armor nothing else.
frankencastles feats is what? a fastball special and fighting a random ninja that he sliced b/c the guy wasnt facing him?
DP slices multiple ppl just like frank while they are in a defensive position and they dont realize they are dead....
also DP also fights army of ninjas alll the time he doesnt just face one..
so again you need to show actual feats for frankencastle to make a bold claim stating he is faster or stronger then wade at least enough to guarantee him the win.
b/c those two feats arent enough not by a long shot
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
Frank has stated that DD is too fast for him and hates his ninja fighting style and DD can out react frank countering his attacks,...
Actually no he didnt.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
DD is olympic why would frank do better when he is fighting a enhanced human all around who actually willing to kill?he only survives due to PIS and writer armor nothing else.
frankencastles feats is what? a fastball special and fighting a random ninja that he sliced b/c the guy wasnt facing him?
DP slices multiple ppl just like frank while they are in a defensive position and they dont realize they are dead....
also DP also fights army of ninjas alll the time he doesnt just face one..
so again you need to show actual feats for frankencastle to make a bold claim stating he is faster or stronger then wade at least enough to guarantee him the win.
b/c those two feats arent enough not by a long shot
Anyway most of the fights that Punisher has had with Daredevil hes done well. I know i've read them all and again you'll see it when I get the Punisher respect thread im working on.
Also Punisher has improved alot since there last fight. No I dont need to show feats of Frankencastle because regular Punisher can keep up with DP and other superhumans...I told you that already.
Stop throwing around PIS when you feel like it anybody can do that.
Speed is a big factor here, concidering Deadpool is faster than Frank. Being able to keep up is one thing, matching someone in a fight is another, Deadpool can keep up with Spider-man but he cnt fight him h2h. As for Frankencastle we'll have to wait for more showings, for now all he's done was slice some ninja from behind and barely took another ninja after a hard fight, the kind of ninjas Deadpool cuts to pieces with his eyes closed without paying much attention. As for SK you keep saying that it proves that Frank can match DP h2h, i keep telling you that Deadpool didn't want and wasn't really fighting him judging by the comic, so lets just agree to disagree, cause tbh im tired of the debate.
@deadline
yes he did.
iirc punisher was on a roof waiting to sniper shoot some guy that matt was representing. DD showed up on the roof and started talking smack.. Punisher couldnt hear him since he was wearing some kinda ear plugs in order to protect himself from the high pitch sound he rigged the roof with..
Frank let DD finish talking and then told DD to bring it on. Frank said in his inner monologue that he let DD takes his shots b/c its not like he could beat him anyways..... he then activated the high pitch tech to disorient DD and then ko'ed him.
