Originally posted by Wild Shadow
facepalm2frank able to counter one single attack from logan who just simply phoned it in doesnt make him able to dodge him in a forum fight when both are at their best.. might as well have posted a scan of spiderman and frank side stepping him and claiming if he can dodge spidey why not DP..
That was one example of many and the whole point is he can dodge metas while not 100%. Punisher can obvoulsy dodge Wolverine hes done it before. Yes Punisher has dodged Spiderman numerous times.
this is what heroes really see castle as.. castle hitting them is b/c of cis and not taking frank seriously underestimating him... or simply being a tank
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/4982/10no5.jpg
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
this is what heroes really see castle as.. castle hitting them is b/c of cis and not taking frank seriously underestimating him... or simply being a tank
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/4982/10no5.jpg
Oh I see because of ONE example. That applies to all of his other fights. Wow started stretching and making excuses already.
Also that doesn't apply to the example I posted Wolverine didn't eevn know who Punisher was and wasn't holding back.
http://img63.imageshack.us/i/punvswolverineinjungle3.jpg/
Hell Wolverine even said he was fast.
Originally posted by Wild Shadowcaptain america, daredevil, and other peak human hit heroes, so why is it PIS when frank does it?
this is what heroes really see castle as.. castle hitting them is b/c of cis and not taking frank seriously underestimating him... or simply being a tank
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/4982/10no5.jpg
not knowing who frank was just means logan is phoning in an attack.. unlike how he would fight someone else with actual skills like Ogun.. dont compare captain american or DD to frank.
http://img7.imageshack.us/i/punvsddgarth3.jpg/
http://img683.imageshack.us/i/punvsddlap2.jpg/
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
not knowing who frank was just means logan is phoning in an attack.. unlike how he would fight someone else with actual skills like Ogun..
Except they fought again twice after that and Punisher still managed to evade some of his attacks. Punisher wasn't 100% either.
Originally posted by Deadline
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
dont compare captain american or DD to frank.
http://img7.imageshack.us/i/punvsddgarth3.jpg/
http://img683.imageshack.us/i/punvsddlap2.jpg/
*YAWN!!!!*
Originally posted by Deadline
[b]Punisher vs. Daredevil (Im going to have a field day with this) *cracks knuckles*Punishers first fight with Daredevil...he wins. Punisher does shoot him but he clearly shows he’s a mtch for him in h2h but successfully fending off a surprise attack from DD
Second encounter. DD jumps Punisher but Punisher drops a chimney on DD’s arse.
Third encounter with DD. DD is pissing himself and has to resort shooting Punisher whiles his back is turned…..ah those were the days.
Note: DD says "I know you're are missing me unpurpose." DD states how when he shot him before he was using tranquilizers but this time he’s using real bullets. Punisher could have shot him but did not want to shoot an innocent. That is a win for DD but only by circumstance. [/B]
Originally posted by Deadline
Fourth encounter that DD has with Punisher. Punisher didn’t actually lose the fight and let DD win. First heres the fight.
Ok heres the proof that Punisher let him win.
[B]Note: DD took advantage that Punisher was lifting a man over his head and pressure pointed him. Despite this Punisher managed to hurt DD badly enough that he had to stop fighting briefly and was actually doing better than DD was before he decided to lose. [/B]
Originally posted by Deadline
DD knocks down Punisher with a punch. Punisher gets up and stuns DD.Another fight that Punisher has with DD, it ends with a stalemate.
[B]Note:
To be fair DD actually hurt himself when he elbowed Punisher in the chest but before the fight Punisher stated that he was sleepy and tired and needed 12 hours sleep. [/B]
Originally posted by SamZED
Are you saying that Frank was SLOW but still was able to keep up with Deadpool who was at his 100%? And what if Frank ate the pills? What would've happened then? He would've been running circles around Deadpool in your opinion? Speedblitzing him? When Frank (any version of Frank) has EVER displayed that kind of speed? The fact that he managed to catch Deadpool's attack midair already was a level of speed FC has never shoed before. Cutting a ninja from behind isnt even close to that.
There's no point comparing speed feats really. Deadpool has sliced GROUPS of people so fast they didnt even realise he did it until their limbs fell off, He's blitzed groups of superheroes, killed superhumans so fast they didnt notice him move, dodged bullets at pointblank range, dodged a snipershot and reappered on top of the sniper just as the bullet reached the place where he was originally standing, moved so fast a group of superheroes couldnt track his movement. Suggesting that a slowed down Frank can possible keep up with Deadpool (unless Deadpool himself isnt at 100% which was the case) is a wishfull thinking. Not to mention the moment the effect of the pills wore off the next thing we saw was Frank pinned down to a table by Deadpool, so yes im pretty sure Deadpool did outmanuver him when he was back to normal.In some of the fights yes, in others it didnt matter. Context also plays a big role whenever Logan defeats DP too.
But he had ST on his knees when they used the gas to take away his HF. He didnt ko ST but was doing well. And was doing great the second time too.
yes i'm saying frank is a lot faster than how he was when he fought deadpool, but no, unlike you and others on this board, i don't believe any characters with a slight speed advantage can run circles around the other. I believe frank is faster than deadpool, and physically superior. Deadpool healed from the pills and brought out the chainsaw, frank broke it with his hand, and again sent deadpool flying, he was then restrained by his cohorts, the next thing we know he's braindead from being off his pills for too long, not because deadpool did anything. We know this because deadpool doesn't think he can take Frank at full power (faster/smarter) and again Frank was unarmed! Not only that a smarter frank could've ended it right htere, he has shown on panel he can rip his opponents in half with strength alone, he didn't do that here because he was stupid and slow.
a frank with normal equipment packs weapons like this:
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/25/punisher013022.jpg
Originally posted by Deadlinedaredevil has said the same thing also a lot of heroes have told him that like cap himself..http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac255/bobnightfar/pdis4.jpg
Oh I see because of ONE example. That applies to all of his other fights. Wow started stretching and making excuses already.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
daredevil has said the same thing also a lot of heroes have told him that like cap himself..http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac255/bobnightfar/pdis4.jpg
Again with your excuses and distortion. DD has also said things to the contrary DD has also said that Punisher was a serious threat and assembled a team to take him down.
Why don't you post the last fight in the series.
Hmm think DD was taking that serioulsy he got Fed up.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
that like cap himself..http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac255/bobnightfar/pdis4.jpg
Really?
Originally posted by Deadline
[b]Punisher vs. Captain America. Punisher evades a surprise attack from him and makes him look bad.
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Originally posted by Trackz
I believe frank is faster than deadpool,
I don't agree with that. Man theres going to be a flame war. Punisher has specifically stated that DD is faster than him. Theres no proof hes had a speed upgrade.
its how ppl view frank that is my argument.. the fact that an olympic lvl hero like DD thinks the same is just sad especially when you think of the actual metas and guys like cap.. frank impressing cap of the 80's isnt much of a feat for frank,., that steve was still getting use to being in the modern world he hadnt yet racked up feats or even mastered learned new fighting skills he was still on basics with his style.. cap was still having trouble with guys like crossbones and the serpent society..
Frank couldnt hope to compete with modern cap, DD cant even keep up with Cap now... and by the way i prefer Pun over DD.. but these two are in the same league: minor.. while the big boys are in the big leagues only time those two are even allowed to play with the big boys is by screwing the other guys over with heavy dose of PIS/Cis even giving them writer armor...
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
its how ppl view frank that is my argument.. the fact that an olympic lvl hero like DD thinks the same is just sad especially when you think of the actual metas and guys like cap.. frank impressing cap of the 80's isnt much of a feat for frank,.,
Except as usual you don't have an argument. I just gave you examples that contradicted what you just posted. Your selecting what examples you like. Punisher has also said similar shit about DD.
DD has twice assembled teams to take down Punisher.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
that steve was still getting use to being in the modern world he hadnt yet racked up feats or even mastered learned new fighting skills he was still on basics with his style.. cap was still having trouble with guys like crossbones and the serpent society..
That it is complete and utter nonsense that Captain America has loads of feats hell earlier on he held his own against Hulk. Serioulsy as usual you don't know what you're talking about.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
[B
Frank couldnt hope to compete with modern cap, DD cant even keep up with Cap now... and by the way i prefer Pun over DD.. but these two are in the same league: minor.. while the big boys are in the big leagues only time those two are even allowed to play with the big boys is by screwing the other guys over with heavy dose of PIS/Cis even giving them writer armor... [/B]
Punisher wouldn't beat Cap for the majority but hes got comparable feats and fought people that could give him a hard time and possibly beat him. The only problem is your debating style
1. Pick what evidence you like and ignore the rest.
2. Make sweeping generlizations without any proof.
3. If that doesn't work pull PIS.
Originally posted by SamZED
But that's exactly what he was saying. Also the fact that he lost most of his weapons and didnt use others like explosives for the sake of the story. And the fact that Deadpool did beat Frank the moment the his HF took care of the pills.
1.you have a different view of speed than i do, but here's the thing, a slowed frankencastle was able to keep up with deadpool, and outdo him at every confrontation.
2. The frank doing this was slow, dumb, and unarmed, compared with deadpool who was initially sick, but healed half way through the fight. After he healed, he came at frank with a chainsaw, so yea this "And the fact that Deadpool did beat Frank the moment the his HF took care of the pills." this just isn't true.
3. you're assuming explosives would have any effect on frank, which it most likely wouldn't. Meanwhile again you're neglecting the fact that in a forum fight Frank is armed with his own arsenal with weapons more hi-tech than deadpools (he arms himself with the legion of monsters arsenal) i already posted a scan of a weapon he picked up from them, a couple of hits from that would take deadpool out.
Originally posted by Trackzbasically my initial thought was correct.
I know, this is one of those fights that could lead to a lot of assumptions and insinuations, based on how punisher did in their first fight, it would appear deadpool only holds healing above him, with punisher now being stronger/faster/more durable, you would think he would be able to tank through deadpool but we'll see once he hits mainstream marvel.Frankencastle is definitely the stronger though, he's gotten faster (and he was fast enough to keep up with deadpool in their suicide kings fight) plus he can tank most of what DP can throw at him, In my opinion Frankencastle has the edge, but nothing is concrete at this point, like i said we'll see once he hits mainstream marvel (especially in the team-up where deadpool is tasked with taking him out)
lets look at it:
strength: Frank
speed: Frank (no one is speedblitzing the other, the speed gap isn't wide)
durability: Frank
healing: Wade (frank runs through anything that doesn't take off his head though)
skill: Even
arsenal:even
frank has more advantages, he should take the win 7/10
Originally posted by Deadlineit did, when he takes the pills, they get rid of the voices in his head, but they have side effects of making him sick, when his voices come back we know he's healed from the effects of the pills.
^ Im not sure if his HF took care of the pills. It should do when you think about it.
