Soul Reaver vs. Master Sword (Actually it's Raziel vs. Link)

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It is not "just a spin". The yell alone would put anyone from LoK on their ass. 131 Raziel has no defense against this, period.

As for Raziel attempting to rip Link's soul out, I lol'd, the much more powerful master sword is protecting him, and if Raziel tries to pass through it with immaterial lawlersauce, it'll bounce back, and rape him. Besides which point, nothing immaterial has ever gone through the sword before.

Edit: according to your side of the argument Raziel attacks at 0.8 of a second, Link can be seen here attacking at less than 0.1. G.G., I win.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
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It is not "just a spin". The yell alone would put anyone from LoK on their ass. 131 Raziel has no defense against this period.

As for Raziel attempting to rip Link's soul out, I lol'd, the [b]much more powerful master sword is protecting him, and if Raziel tries to pass through it with immaterial lawlersauce, it'll bounce back, and rape him. Besides which point, nothing immaterial has ever gone through the sword before.

Edit: according to your side of the argument Raziel attacks at 0.8 of a second, Link can be seen here attacking at less than 0.1. G.G., I win. [/B]

"sigh" your getting worse.

Yes it is, its just Link spinning with his silly little sword, ill give you that it adds a little magic but that means notihing.

The MS has never protecting against his soul being torn out at all, not that it protects him much at all. Most of its power is from assumption, not fact or real feats.

Show me Links sword blocking something immaterial, more importantly a spiritual entity in a cutscene.

Your argument hinges on Raziel actually hitting Link, it won't happen. Spin attack. I don't need to do anymore work until you can beat the argument already on the table. You can't.

Oh, and because it amuses me: Every game ever that contains a deadman's volley.

The argument where Links going to just stand there, randomly spinning in the hope of hitting a faster opponent who could just blast him from range anyway? I lold. And btw its not a spin, Link swings from behind him and his swords finishes up front, Raziel just has to hit the opening assuming this attack was quicker than just a little guy swinging his sword. Raziel could just jump over Link and down onto him for lulz.

The argument where Links going to just stand there, randomly spinning in the hope of hitting a faster opponent who could just blast him from range anyway?

1. Raziel's not faster.
2. Link doesn't have to randomly spin, though he can spin perpetually if he wishes.
3. Wrong, he spins, full circle, possibly twice.
4. Blasting him at range is a good way to lose, master sword reflects, reaver does not.
5. Raziel's too slow to survive that. Link can attack in less than 0.1 seconds, he'd reduce Raz to ribbons.

Yeh I think ill wait until you have an argument, link just standing there spinning in the hope of reflecting attacks which are not silly Ganon bolts is daft.

Lol, the joke here is you're the one without an argument. "I'll wait until later.... Because .. you're wrong!"

I accept your concession. I don't hold it against you either...

Link wins up close, the second, no wait, the millisecond, that Raziel is within ten feet, SKRRRAAAAAH = Link wins.

If Raziel attempts to backpedal and throw stuff.. Well, Link's the more experienced tennis player, and Raziel lacks a racket. Link wins.. There's simply no other recourse. That's being generous eough to assume Raziel can get away at all, let alone try to back up and attack simultaneously.. He'd be easily caught.

Link is faster, stronger, more skilled, and his weapon is superior.

"sigh" your debating tact is pathetic, you just spam the same points over and over without proving anything at all and your trying to argue that Links going to just sit there spinning with his little sword lol.....poor argument is poor..

Link is not fast, strong and his weapon is just poor.

Link is not fast, strong and his weapon is just poor.

So, you're in denial again.

The cutscene shows a spin that pretty much any swordsman could do, as anyone can spin. Raziel just jumps from high while invisible and slices through link as he comes down, Link can spin as much as he wants until he gets out of breath and collapses.

You're a silly kid, BT. The video shows Link clearly going from stationary to full rotation in less than 0.2, faster than Raziel can react. Also, You act like Link's never faught an invisible enemy before.. He has. Raziel could jump at Link... And then get liquified. GJ.

Furthermore:
YouTube video 4:04-4:06, it has a two second cast time, accompanied by an effect, and .. well.. Raziel just can't live that long anyway.

So.. In the end Raziel dies in less than a second, while trying to use his 2 second spell. GJ.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You're a silly kid, BT. The video shows Link clearly going from stationary to full rotation in less than 0.2, faster than Raziel can react. Also, You act like Link's never faught an invisible enemy before.. He has. Raziel could jump at Link... And then get liquified. GJ.

Furthermore:
YouTube video 4:04-4:06, it has a two second cast time, accompanied by an effect, and .. well.. Raziel just can't live that long anyway.

So.. In the end Raziel dies in less than a second, while trying to use his 2 second spell. GJ.

And your an ignorant little child Screamo. Theres no "clearly" about it, your prob just guessing and faster than he can react? based on? thats about human reaction time and this is a stationary attack, Link will never even see Raziel coming. Yes because a spin strikes entities above and on top of you.......and hes never liquified anyone.

It starts just after 4:05 and ends as it hits 4:06, a second cast time, if that and this is assuming he decides to do it within Links tiny little reach. Raziel can give himself a fair distance between them before he goes invisible, this would make sense anyway because with distance between them Link could never judge where Raziel even is. Then "splat!" Links crushed under Raziels feet.

Theres no "clearly" about it, your prob just guessing and faster than he can react?

and this is a stationary attack, Link will never even see Raziel coming.

It starts just after 4:05 and ends as it hits 4:06,

and this is assuming he decides to do it within Links tiny little reach.

So, here's the breakdown.

1. You still have no way around the spin, which is near instant, and will occur as soon as Raziel is in range. I used "less than 0.2" to illustrate that .. without any reaction feats.. Raziel's screwed.
2. Raziel cannot stay out of range and do anythign other than run.
3. Even if he succeeds at 2, he's getting his attacks reflected, and Link doesn't need to see him to crush him.
4. Your "Raziel can jumpz!" argument seems to assume Link lacks a humanoid set of joints which would allow him to attack an airborne enemy.
5. Link's just plain better.
6. His sword's just plain better.

In addition to all ScreamPaste said the Master sword is just better looking.....

This just looks like a tongue thing and it is so impractical. NOT COOL

This....

need i say more, LOL?

If you're gonna post a replica, post a spiffy one, Maester 😛

I do admit I'm a fan of the Zelda II colour scheme. (In the book there's a picture of the master sword, years before it was officially introduced in aLttP!!, with a red gaurd, crazy, eh?)

i saw those, but decided to go for the more popular one.

I'm surprised that image is more popular, the replica itself looks pretty poor. (Most fantasy replicas tend to look poor though.)

I've always been a fan of the carbon steel, full tang, practical models. ..so I could cut up stuff outside and feel badass.

yeh, i know what you mean. replicas sometimes (most of the time) are uber cheap

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Actually, I'm not, annd based on Raziel's utter lack of anything resembling a reaction time feat. Also, 2.5 is standard human.

With far greater range than any of Raziel's physical attacks. Also, Link doesn't need to, he's fought tons of invisible enemies before, and Raziel's louder than any of them.

And you think I drink too much...

Longer than Raziel's... Raziel would have to stop to do it anyway, and Raziel can't run away AND cast at the same time, let alone defend himself.. He's chanceless.

So, here's the breakdown.

1. You still have no way around the spin, which is near instant, and will occur as soon as Raziel is in range. I used "less than 0.2" to illustrate that .. without any reaction feats.. Raziel's screwed.
2. Raziel cannot stay out of range and do anythign other than run.
3. Even if he succeeds at 2, he's getting his attacks reflected, and Link doesn't need to see him to crush him.
4. Your "Raziel can jumpz!" argument seems to assume Link lacks a humanoid set of joints which would allow him to attack an airborne enemy.
5. Link's just plain better.
6. His sword's just plain better.

Show me the vids timing in milliseconds then to show your 0.2 time?

Well dur, Raz physical attacks are his claws, the reaver is immaterial. Yeh, he does not know where Raz is, would not be able to predict where he is and if he jumped he would have no idea where Raziel is, all this "hez fought invisibles enemies!" rubbish is not helping him.

Yeh you do.

Yeh, he can make some distance quite easily and cast, a second is not a long amount of time.

1. Yeh i do, jump, its just a spin afterall and its static so any long range attack would kill Link.
2. Yes he can, Links a slow little Kid running after someone who is far faster than him on foot, Raziel would simply go invisible/make distance.
3. yes he does, Link sees nothing other than his own soul being reaved, MS has never reflected AOE or Raziels powers.
4. he would have to swing his sword up assuming he could see Raziel, he wont though, Raziel would jump/roll/slide/dodge rings around Link.
5. nah, hes a queer looking little midget with human statistics and an inferior sword.
6. Its just pretty much a normal sword with an interesting "key" factor.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Show me the vids timing in milliseconds then to show your 0.2 time?

Well dur, Raz physical attacks are his claws, the reaver is immaterial. Yeh, he does not know where Raz is, would not be able to predict where he is and if he jumped he would have no idea where Raziel is, all this "hez fought invisibles enemies!" rubbish is not helping him.

Yeh you do.

Yeh, he can make some distance quite easily and cast, a second is not a long amount of time.

1. Yeh i do, jump, its just a spin afterall and its static so any long range attack would kill Link.
2. Yes he can, Links a slow little Kid running after someone who is far faster than him on foot, Raziel would simply go invisible/make distance.
3. yes he does, Link sees nothing other than his own soul being reaved, MS has never reflected AOE or Raziels powers.
4. he would have to swing his sword up assuming he could see Raziel, he wont though, Raziel would jump/roll/slide/dodge rings around Link.
5. nah, hes a queer looking little midget with human statistics and an inferior sword.
6. Its just pretty much a normal sword with an interesting "key" factor.

I believe we've had this conversation before too, but you still do it, so let's have the conversation again!

You constantly ask for proof of things while providing no evidence for anything you say.

How does an immaterial sword help him then?

1. Any long range attack would kill Link. I demand feats for the power of these spells.

2. I demand video evidence showing Raziel turning invisible and speed feats.

3. I demand to see a vid where the Reaver has torn a soul from a body.

4. I demand video evidence that Raziel can roll, jump, slide, and dodge. Speed feats will help with this.

5. I demand evidence that Link has human statistics.

6. I demand evidence that it is a normal sword.

And don't forget, you better be backing this junk up with statements directly from the developers. Otherwise it's all useless, amirite?

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