Thor, Beta Ray Bill, Loki vs. Superman, Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman

Originally posted by quanchi112
I see Jonn as being stronger and more durable personally. I think he can take more punishment than WW can. I get it she is more skilled but no one is escaping the hammer bros. here.

Him being stronger and more durable is debatable, as his high end feats on both fronts don't really put him beyond WW in the same respect. He's extremely more versatile, sure, and without CIS he's a monster, but physically speaking, he doesn't off more than Diana, unless he just goes intangible - which isn't much of a saving grace against Team 1.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Him being stronger and more durable is debatable, as his high end feats on both fronts don't really put him beyond WW in the same respect. He's extremely more versatile, sure, and without CIS he's a monster, but physically speaking, he doesn't off more than Diana, unless he just goes intangible - which isn't much of a saving grace against Team 1.

Durable? Yes
As strong? no

Originally posted by quanchi112
You really think she is more durable and as strong as MM?

I have yet to see any feats that puts him beyond her directly on those assets. A lot of spoken statements, sure, but on panel proof that he's stronger/more durable than her? At the very least they're equals in that department with her skill and equipment balancing things out against his versatility.

Team asgard wins

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I have yet to see any feats that puts him beyond her directly on those assets. A lot of spoken statements, sure, but on panel proof that he's stronger/more durable than her? At the very least they're equals in that department with her skill and equipment balancing things out against his versatility.

T1 baby! Asgard bros ftw!

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's clear to me MM is a peer to Superman in strength while WW isn't. She's close and can hurt either of them but they pack more whallop than she does. Me myself I don't need to see a ton of feats to know who is stronger. Most feats are only exclusive for the character who performed them and how often did the character you are comparing that character to in strength try and fail the same feat.

Overall I think she has the advantage in an aggregate of all fields.

I can't really recall a time when he's packed more whallop than she has. His endurance is definitely less- he gets tired easier, even when flame's not around.

They're all without a doubt peers physically, but it's been outright said that Superman is the only one in the League who could stop an out-of-control Diana, a statement made with J'onn in the room.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I see Jonn as being stronger and more durable personally.

Team 2.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's clear to me MM is a peer to Superman in strength while WW isn't. She's close and can hurt either of them but they pack more whallop than she does. Me myself I don't need to see a ton of feats to know who is stronger. Most feats are only exclusive for the character who performed them and how often did the character you are comparing that character to in strength try and fail the same feat.

So you're going with a gut feeling/preconceived notions over on panel feats?
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Originally posted by quanchi112
It's clear to me MM is a peer to Superman in strength while WW isn't. She's close and can hurt either of them but they pack more whallop than she does. Me myself I don't need to see a ton of feats to know who is stronger. Most feats are only exclusive for the character who performed them and how often did the character you are comparing that character to in strength try and fail the same feat.

Doomsday disagrees.

Team 1.

Haha yea. John doesn't have a.....good track record against Doomsday. He really took a pounding even back in DoS.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Doomsday disagrees.

And so do I. 😠

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
And so do I. 😠

tbh, i'd maybe say J'onn was stronger than Diana, but not by any considerable distance. He's not as fast, though.

Originally posted by -Pr-
tbh, i'd maybe say J'onn was stronger than Diana, but not by any considerable distance. He's not as fast, though.

They're just about the same in my book. Any difference either way wouldn't be that noticeable. I was commenting more on him being a bit below Superman. That I agree with. Again, it's not a huge margin or anything.

I do agree he's not as fast. Durability I'm not sure. I think Diana would last longer in a fight personally. J'onn has more abilities, but Diana has the lasso. In a fight like this with so much magic being thrown around, I think WW is better teammate.

Beta Ray Bill mortally wounds Supes with the sharp point of his hammer then finishes him off. While Loki uses spells to slightly weaken him.

Loki fills Martian Manhunter with magical flames and binding spells. While intangible.

Thor holds off Diana until the others are done then they team her to death.

These guys live for battle tactics.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
They're just about the same in my book. Any difference either way wouldn't be that noticeable. I was commenting more on him being a bit below Superman. That I agree with. Again, it's not a huge margin or anything.

I do agree he's not as fast. Durability I'm not sure. I think Diana would last longer in a fight personally. J'onn has more abilities, but Diana has the lasso. In a fight like this with so much magic being thrown around, I think WW is better teammate.

in this fight? definitely. i'd take diana over j'onn any day. that's the beaty of the league, though. they're so diverse that there's always someone tailer made for each crisis.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Beta Ray Bill mortally wounds Supes with the sharp point of his hammer then finishes him off. While Loki uses spells to slightly weaken him.

Loki fills Martian Manhunter with magical flames and binding spells. While intangible.

Thor holds off Diana until the others are done then they team her to death.

These guys live for battle tactics.

so the JLA members aren't good tacticians? really.

Originally posted by -Pr-
tbh, i'd maybe say J'onn was stronger than Diana, but not by any considerable distance. He's not as fast, though.

I'd say J'onn was stronger, Diana's both faster and more durable. J'onn regularly gets his shit kicked in and has to heal/reform. Diana just hangs in there and toughs it out.