If Superman is 100% in Speed, Rate these Characters

Originally posted by psycho gundam
minus actually ko'ing his opponent in the scan.

and all you had to do was point out that the flash's number was too low instead of deconstructing an error.

No, Flash doesn't have Super strength like Superman, WW, Black Adam etc.

No, Flash isn't that much faster than Superman. Maybe 20-30%. That would still make the other figures more than ridiculous. Hulk will always be less than 1% when compared to Superman. Thor and some others shouldn't be anywhere near as high as people are saying either.

Originally posted by Placidity
No, Flash isn't that much faster than Superman. Maybe 20-30%.

Originally posted by Enyalus
In fighting speeds he is much faster than Superman. Superman or Wonder Woman or Martian Manhunter have never thrown anywhere near 1,000 punches in a second.

On average, Superman has shown he is capable of hanging with Flash.

Of course when Flash goes nuts he leaves everyone in the dust, but I'm talking about average showings.

Originally posted by Placidity
On average, Superman has shown he is capable of hanging with Flash.

In combat speed, never.

Originally posted by Enyalus
In a race, yes. Unless you count Barry dusting him.

In combat speed, never.

Anyone who can run at superspeed can also fight at comparable superspeed. The reasoning is if Superman is to run anywhere near as fast as Flash, he needs to be able to move his limbs (arms and legs) at the same rate. This would translate into a comparable fighting speed.

Originally posted by h1a8
Flash is fastest 150%-unknown
Superman is next 100%
WW 90%
Silver Surfer=GL 85%
BA=MM 75%
Sentry 20-40%
Thor less than 1%
Thanos less than 1%
Hulk less than 1%

But, like I said, Thor should be around 5-10% if we count his reflex speed.

Originally posted by Placidity
Anyone who can run at superspeed can also fight at comparable superspeed. The reasoning is if Superman is to run anywhere near as fast as Flash, he needs to be able to move his limbs (arms and legs) at the same rate. This would translate into a comparable fighting speed.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Wally's fight against Zoom and outright acknowledging that Superman would be useless in that fight would seem to contradict that "logic."

Its not just logic, it is a fact. You just don't have anyway of arguing it. You know this.

I also said average showing, you know this.

superman has to push himself to propel himself to lightspeed, his combat speed is much lower than that, faster than eyes can follow but still under light.

flash however can...well everyone read the zoom fight, no explanation needed there.

Originally posted by Placidity
Anyone who can run at superspeed can also fight at comparable superspeed. The reasoning is if Superman is to run anywhere near as fast as Flash, he needs to be able to move his limbs (arms and legs) at the same rate. This would translate into a comparable fighting speed.

Originally posted by Placidity
I also said average showing, you know this.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Just to clarify...."2000-punch-per-second" Wally is average Flash, according to you?

Why don't you suggest another figure. And I will ask you the same thing?

Just to add a note, Wally doesn't look strained at all delivering those punches, still having a chat. Correct me when if I'm wrong, but in almost all his high showings, he doesn't usually talk when in superspeed, only thought bubbles.

Originally posted by Placidity
Why don't you suggest another figure. And I will ask you the same thing?

Just to add a note, Wally doesn't look strained at all delivering those punches, still having a chat. Correct me when if I'm wrong, but in almost all his high showings, he doesn't usually talk when in superspeed, only thought bubbles.

I wasn't going to attempt to hammer you for it. Just was attempting to better understand where you were coming from.

Originally posted by psycho gundam

somewhat, but he is also only running. you can't assume that both speeds would be the same.

I assume by "only running" you mean only leg speed? If that's what you meant, then you'd also be saying Superman's arms aren't synchronized with his legs? Meaning, Superman looks retarded when he is running?

Whatever the case, it should still be around the same. Its all just about how fast you can move your limbs.

Now, if you compare humans, you'd probably have a case. Afterall, a fast runner may not be a fast fighter. But Superspeed fights involve both moving around at superspeed AND delivering superspeed strikes. Not only that, Flash's source of speed is not due to his anatomy or physiology, so the human comparison would be invalid.

real world physics dont apply to comic book physics. You have to use the precedent set by the comics themselves not textbooks. Its obvious situations in the fantasy world of comics follow there own rules.

Originally posted by meep-meep
real world physics dont apply to comic book physics. You have to use the precedent set by the comics themselves not textbooks. Its obvious situations in the fantasy world of comics follow there own rules.

Sorry, not physics. Logic.

Still, until there's a comic with Superman punching at even over 500 times per second, you can't just automatically assume he can do such a thing.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Still, until there's a comic with Superman punching at even over 500 times per second, you can't just automatically assume he can do such a thing.

I can respect that. Even going by your conservative figure, Hulk, assuming he can dish out 5 punches a second (he can't), would still be at 1%.

Originally posted by Starscream M
I'm talking about fighting speed...not traveling speed.

Hulk
Sentry
Silver Surfer
Thor
Wonder Woman
Flash (Wally)
Martian Manhunter
Thanos
Black Adam
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)

So what you want is h2h speed? Because anyone who can navigate and react while travelling in multiples of c necessarily has fighting speed of multiples of c. The SS who is the most debated subject in this matter doesn't have to throw punche to uses his powers, he only needs to think and he thinks faster than light and can analyse situations, plan and act in under a nanosecond.

Separating travelling speed from combat speed only makes sense if the character really can't see what he is doing, think or react when travelling at maximum speed; or when applyed to people who teleport or open portals to travel faster than light between two points.

IMO both flash and SS leave SM in the dust as far as reaction time a and general motion speed goes. SS certainly has the highest feats of all when it comes to moving between two points and he can coordinate his movements when doing it. The flash's maximum speed, if it exists at all is ceratinly far above c, while SM can effectivelly blitz at just a bit under c.

Surfer 500%
Flash 100.1 %
The rest not that hight

Originally posted by 753
So what you want is h2h speed? Because anyone who can navigate and react while travelling in multiples of c necessarily has fighting speed of multiples of c. The SS who is the most debated subject in this matter doesn't have to throw punche to uses his powers, he only needs to think and he thinks faster than light and can analyse situations, plan and act in under a nanosecond.

Separating travelling speed from combat speed only makes sense if the character really can't see what he is doing, think or react when travelling at maximum speed; or when applyed to people who teleport or open portals to travel faster than light between two points.

Not entirely correct. For one thing, the OP might have meant H2H combat speed.

Secondly, while what you say is true about SS having comparable if not superior "thought speed", for him to attack, he still needs to move his arms, target and fire his blasts. Not only that, but because he will want to avoid getting hit by someone like Superman in a fight, he would have to maneuver around quickly too.

As for separating travelling speed from combat speed, that is also not entirely correct. For one thing, there is the popular "straight-line travel" speed vs I guess "non-straight-line" travel which I won't go into since its been discussed so many times. The other thing is combat speed involves agility, which while related to travelling speed, does not necessarily mean the character possesses both.