If Superman is 100% in Speed, Rate these Characters

Originally posted by Placidity
I can respect that. Even going by your conservative figure, Hulk, assuming he can dish out 5 punches a second (he can't), would still be at 1%.

Originally posted by Placidity
Secondly, while what you say is true about SS having comparable if not superior "thought speed", for him to attack, he still needs to move his arms, target and fire his blasts. Not only that, but because he will want to avoid getting hit by someone like Superman in a fight, he would have to maneuver around quickly too.

As for separating travelling speed from combat speed, that is also not entirely correct. For one thing, there is the popular "straight-line travel" speed vs I guess "non-straight-line" travel which I won't go into since its been discussed so many times. The other thing is combat speed involves agility, which while related to travelling speed, does not necessarily mean the character possesses both.

SS has tracked/followed the wireless electronic signal of a computer through its compound (the entire planet, basically) while being struck by it's defensive laser systems. In a non-straight line way. That translates to near-light speed maneuverability. And he's on a surf board mind you, so he needs to move a lot of his body in order to maneuver properly...

Originally posted by Placidity
Not entirely correct. For one thing, the OP might have meant H2H combat speed.

Secondly, while what you say is true about SS having comparable if not superior "thought speed", for him to attack, he still needs to move his arms, target and fire his blasts. Not only that, but because he will want to avoid getting hit by someone like Superman in a fight, he would have to maneuver around quickly too.

As for separating travelling speed from combat speed, that is also not entirely correct. For one thing, there is the popular "straight-line travel" speed vs I guess "non-straight-line" travel which I won't go into since its been discussed so many times. The other thing is combat speed involves agility, which while related to travelling speed, does not necessarily mean the character possesses both.

That's why I asked wheter he meant h2h speed or not. If he did, than ww is faster than SM because she is the better fighter and has the best combination of agility and mind to body coordeantion. But does this mean she thinks faster or is she just a more competent h2h fighter? To me it's the latter.

By the same account SM is a better h2h fighter than SS, but a combat is not necessarily restricted to h2h. I think SS can successfully use his reaction and thought speed to dodge and tag with blasts and such.

Even if SS lacked the coordination to do this, which I dont think he does, there are ways someone with his powerset can fight at very high speed even being a totally uncoordinated clutz: he can just blast in all directions; he can teleport and go intangible to avoid being hit; he can target with energy tracking, cosmic awareness and his bizarre senses instead of eyesight; he can use blasts that lock onto the target; he can blast from any part of his body not just his fists; etc. So he can still fight with superspeed even with no h2h2 speed.

Point is:

1 - h2h speed is more than movement speed and includes brawling competence.

2 - h2h speed is not an accurate synonim of combat (a broader term) speed

to me if you can do non straight-line travel while navigating and dodging things (which the SS does all the time), this proves you can do combat speed at those levels. It does not, however, prove you have brawling competece to go against other speedsters (even slower ones) in melee and keep up with them. So to me, SS has more combat speed than SM, but less brawling speed (succesfull use of speed in a brawl). If they go for mellee SM has an edge, but overall speed edge goes for SS.

Originally posted by Placidity
I assume by "only running" you mean only leg speed? If that's what you meant, then you'd also be saying Superman's arms aren't synchronized with his legs? Meaning, Superman looks retarded when he is running?

just saying you can't equate linear motion using his full effort to a flash like combat attack and assume it would be the same speed as his foot race with wally.

flash's decent combat feats (not low or peak ones) are mostly on par if not higher than superman's best combat feats in terms of speed.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
Flash and wonderwoman are the top dogs...

hulk is the slowest

Originally posted by 753

Even if SS lacked the coordination to do this, which I dont think he does, there are ways someone with his powerset can fight at very high speed even being a totally uncoordinated clutz: he can just blast in all directions; he can teleport and go intangible to avoid being hit; he can target with energy tracking, cosmic awareness and his bizarre senses instead of eyesight; he can use blasts that lock onto the target; he can blast from any part of his body not just his fists; etc. So he can still fight with superspeed even with no h2h2 speed.

Point is:

1 - h2h speed is more than movement speed and includes brawling competence.

2 - h2h speed is not an accurate synonim of combat (a broader term) speed

to me if you can do non straight-line travel while navigating and dodging things (which the SS does all the time), this proves you can do combat speed at those levels. It does not, however, prove you have brawling competece to go against other speedsters (even slower ones) in melee and keep up with them. So to me, SS has more combat speed than SM, but less brawling speed (succesfull use of speed in a brawl). If they go for mellee SM has an edge, but overall speed edge goes for SS.

I agree with almost everything you said. For the record, I believe SS would beat SM in a fight, but thats not exactly what this thread is about.

The only thing I wouldn't totally agree with is what you said about non-straight line travel and navigation equating to comparable combat speed (this should serve as a reply to Enyalus' last post to me too I think). I said the same thing earlier, but I specifically mentioned running speed, because it involves movement of the limbs used in H2H combat. Now in SS's case, his non-linear travel speed doesn't demonstrate his ability to move his limbs quickly, since he is only directing his motion through his mind to his board.

Also good point making the distinction between H2H speed and Combat speed. But also I feel it should be noted that if one lacks H2H speed, they lack the prerequisite for having combat speed.

i hate percentages, so i'm just going to put them in order:

Flash (Wally)
Superman
Wonder Woman
Black Adam
Martian Manhunter
Thor
Silver Surfer
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)
Sentry
Hulk

Thanos i have no idea, so left him out.

all these guys would get eaten by odin, and the slower guys would last longer. (no homo)

speed be damned biscuits

Originally posted by -Pr-
i hate percentages, so i'm just going to put them in order:

Flash (Wally)
Superman
Wonder Woman
Black Adam
Martian Manhunter
Thor
Silver Surfer
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)
Sentry
Hulk

Thanos i have no idea, so left him out.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
all these guys would get eaten by odin, and the slower guys would last longer. (no homo)

speed be damned biscuits

😂

Originally posted by Mindset
😐

what?

Why do you have SS so low?

What has Thor done that gives him better combat speed?

etc. etc. ad nausuem. angina.

Originally posted by -Pr-
i hate percentages, so i'm just going to put them in order:

[1]
Flash (Wally)

[2]
Wonder Woman
Superman

[3]
Silver Surfer
Sentry
Black Adam
Martian Manhunter

[4]
Thor
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)

[5]
Hulk

Not sure about Thanos.

While I won't assign percentages because I'm too lazy to figure out how that translates mathematically, I did separate them into groups. A space between groupings represents a speed advantage. The persons within each grouping have comparable speed.

General comments. Hulk doesn't have any superspeed so I would put him at less than 1%. WW & Superman - Diana's training makes the difference for me. Flash is comfortably above both of them however. The order of the third group might be off, but I do put them all below WW & Supes because none of them have the combination of both speed AND skill. (Yes, I consider Superman more skilled than all 4 of them). Thor and Lantern just don't have the actual combat speed to be any higher. Thor would be more skilled than anyone above him except Wonder Woman.

Originally posted by Mindset
Why do you have SS so low?

What has Thor done that gives him better combat speed?

etc. etc. ad nausuem. angina.

some of those are the slightest gaps possible. i didn't want to put anyone on even levels, as it seemed too undefinitive, i guess.

cut raoul some slack

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
[1]
Flash (Wally)

[2]
Wonder Woman
Superman

[3]
Silver Surfer
Sentry
Black Adam
Martian Manhunter

[4]
Thor
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)

[5]
Hulk

Not sure about Thanos.

While I won't assign percentages because I'm too lazy to figure out how that translates mathematically, I did separate them into groups. A space between groupings represents a speed advantage. The persons within each grouping have comparable speed.

General comments. Hulk doesn't have any superspeed so I would put him at less than 1%. WW & Superman - Diana's training makes the difference for me. Flash is comfortably above both of them however. The order of the third group might be off, but I do put them all below WW & Supes because none of them have the combination of both speed AND skill. (Yes, I consider Superman more skilled than all 4 of them). Thor and Lantern just don't have the actual combat speed to be any higher. Thor would be more skilled than anyone above him except Wonder Woman.

agreed for the most part. i'd still put clark slightly above diana (or at worst, even with her). any advantage, though, isn't going to be that large.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
cut raoul some slack

Kal-El kneels the fastest.

Hello, new here. Just wanted to point out that in last years holloween special superman raced the flash at just under light speed.The race was not only by foot ,supes swam while crossing oceans.

Originally posted by -Pr-
agreed for the most part. i'd still put clark slightly above diana (or at worst, even with her). any advantage, though, isn't going to be that large.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
General comments. Hulk doesn't have any superspeed so I would put him at less than 1%.

😐 I cannot in good conscience agree.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
[1]
Flash (Wally)

[2]
Wonder Woman
Superman

[3]
Silver Surfer
Sentry
Black Adam
Martian Manhunter

[4]
Thor
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)

[5]
Hulk

Not sure about Thanos.

While I won't assign percentages because I'm too lazy to figure out how that translates mathematically, I did separate them into groups. A space between groupings represents a speed advantage. The persons within each grouping have comparable speed.

General comments. Hulk doesn't have any superspeed so I would put him at less than 1%. WW & Superman - Diana's training makes the difference for me. Flash is comfortably above both of them however. The order of the third group might be off, but I do put them all below WW & Supes because none of them have the combination of both speed AND skill. (Yes, I consider Superman more skilled than all 4 of them). Thor and Lantern just don't have the actual combat speed to be any higher. Thor would be more skilled than anyone above him except Wonder Woman.

Agreed tho id move SS into section 2.