Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I suppose some of those are "kinda" sorda like the other. I think it's a bit of a stretch though my friend.Regardless.. IMO Seid is on another level that Thor.. even a bloodlusted Thor.
And I agree. Darkseid written to full power is well above High Heralds and contrary to popular belief the win-loss record between him and Superman is actually in Darkseid's favor.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Death Star looks a bit like Apokolips, Darth Vader's helmet is similar to Darkseid's headpiece. The whole evil father vs good son dynamic is also present. Source=Force, Highfather=Ben Kenobi, Motherbox=R2 D2 (sort of, that's a stretch). Also important to note is that in the case of both Darth Vader and Darkseid they both seek order and while in Vader's case that leads him down the path of the Dark Side in Darkseid's case it leads him to seek out the Anti-Life Equation.
And I'm kind of puzzled by the OP. It says bloodlusted...but then says CIS off. So if I go ahead and assume Warriors Madness, but the CIS off so that he can do pretty much anything he's shown...then Thor wins a majority.
I'd have to say Darkseid. I do agree that DS's jobber-aura is often over-played; I also think that Thor's powerset does give him a little better chance in this than Superman's, so he might get a win more than Supes would. If I had to put it in ratio terms, then DS 8+/10 (with Thor's wins likely coming in the form of a pyrrhic victory).
Originally posted by The NuulThat's only your opinion which basically renders the comics themselves moot which is going down a slipper slope of debating.
Neither Supes or Thor should be able to beat DS. IMO he should be like Thanos but since he appears in a Supes comic he loses because of PIS.DS should win this fight.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusExactly. If we take Thor at his best I see him tearing into him.
From what I've seen a blood lusted Superman do to Darkseid, I'd say Thor wins. I've seen Superman literally rip him apart.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympussuperman's durability is very different than thor's in nature
At the very least he should be able to block it with Mjolnir. And tanking it is not out of the question seeing as how Superman has done it before I'm pretty sure, and Thor has tanked some pretty powerful attacks in the past.
superman's has a bioforcefield...thus a majority of attacks don't really actuallly hit him
Originally posted by Starscream M
superman's durability is very different than thor's in naturesuperman's has a bioforcefield...thus a majority of attacks don't really actuallly hit him
His durability is a combination of his own bio field and his skin density as I understand it, instead of simply his bio field currently. It's the combination of the two that makes him so durable, and Thor's is on his level at least in terms of durability.
And what do you mean a majority of the attacks don't actually hit him? It's been pretty clear, that if something packs enough force it can and will hurt Superman. That's why a punch to the face from say a super strong opponent effects him and can make him bleed.
I think I understand what you're saying, but Superman get's affected by energy attacks or hits not that differently from Thor.
Originally posted by Starscream M
did they? didn't know that.
I think I saw PR or Philo cite a writer's interview where they state something like making Superman's "invulnerability" the product of his own natural durability aside from his bio-field. I could be mistaken though, but that's the general impression I'm under.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympuswell, I think superman's regular durability is about on par if not slightly higher than thors. But on top of that, he has his bioforcefield aura.
His durability is a combination of his own bio field and his skin density as I understand it, instead of simply his bio field currently. It's the combination of the two that makes him so durable, and Thor's is on his level at least in terms of durability.And what do you mean a majority of the attacks don't actually hit him? It's been pretty clear, that if something packs enough force it can and will hurt Superman. That's why a punch to the face from say a super strong opponent effects him and can make him bleed.
I meant that initially, when superman is energized, and his forcefield is on, attacks don't really get past his forcefield.
Only when he gets weakened and his bioaura fades, is when attacks really hit him and hence he starts to bleed and bruise.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankI agree with that...his bioaura is another layer of protection on top of his already own level of invulnerability.
I think I saw PR or Philo cite a writer's interview where they state something like making Superman's "invulnerability" the product of his own natural durability aside from his bio-field. I could be mistaken though, but that's the general impression I'm under.
Originally posted by Starscream M
well, I think superman's regular durability is about on par if not slightly higher than thors. But on top of that, he has his bioforcefield aura.I meant that initially, when superman is energized, and his forcefield is on, attacks don't really get past his forcefield.
Only when he gets weakened and his bioaura fades, is when attacks really hit him and hence he starts to bleed and bruise.
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It's the combination of the two that puts him on Thor's level. And even then, whether Superman is more durable is debatable. Although I do think, cosmetically speaking Superman is more durable, but once you do hurt Superman, Thor fairs better.
If that was the case, then an initial attack from an opponent that Superman would continue to go toe to toe with would not hurt Superman, but that has happened before.
I do agree, Superman is harder to bruise or draw blood from than Thor thanks to the nature of his durability being a combination of his own natural durability and bio aura, but Superman's durability does not seem to be needed to weaken in order for him to be hurt or affected by attacks.
It's not as if he starts out utterly invulnerable or untouchable, and then is needed to be worn down just to actually be hurt. That's not the case even when he fights someone in his class.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI think that is the case actually.
It's not as if he starts out utterly invulnerable or untouchable, and then is needed to be worn down just to actually be hurt. That's not the case even when he fights someone in his class.
I remember the epic Death of Superman saga against Doomsday.
At first, Superman was letting Doomsday get in several punches, which while sent him flying, left no mark whatsover.
Only later, as he began to wear down, did he start showing indications of injury.
Thor doesn't have the benefit of that buffer, so the very first punch could injure thor whereas it prob won't injure superman.
Originally posted by Starscream M
I think that is the case actually.I remember the epic Death of Superman saga against Doomsday.
At first, Superman was letting Doomsday get in several punches, which while sent him flying, left no mark whatsover.
Only later, as he began to wear down, did he start showing indications of injury.
Thor doesn't have the benefit of that buffer, so the very first punch could injure thor whereas it prob won't injure superman.
I think the Doomsday fight is a pretty good example. When Doomsday first punched Superman, Superman stood there and was completely unharmed. Then Doomsday turns around and kicks Superman in the gut sending him flying and he even comments that he doesn't think his ever been hit that hard. It shows, that even back then when it was mostly his bio aura that made him durable as I recall, all you have to do is just hit hard enough. Just because he didn't get bloody doesn't mean that he starts out utterly invulnerable.
I can punch you in the face, and not draw blood initially, but let me keep on punching you in the face, and I'd bleed and bruise you. That's basically what happened with Superman. Eventually he was worn down. At least that's how I understand it with the nature of Superman's power set being as it is currently.
Nah. Superman's been injured by an initial punch/attack before.
Plus, Superman's durability has changed over time. It's gone from being almost completely reliant on his bio aura, to being a mesh of his bio aura and own skin density.