Originally posted by quanchi112
How can't he when we have seen hv and WW's bracelets do so.
you sure love to use PIS when you need it dont you?i can also bring some PIS and state that if thor was getting beat up by spider-man and the u foes took him then darkseid will just shit stomp him see? it works both ways , but without any PIS darkseid owns him and would own superman and wonder woman as well he is on another level darkseid stomps
Originally posted by Omega VisionAgain, your bias rears it's ugly head Superman has shown the ability to handle Darkseid and beat his head in when he needs to. It isn't pis it's how these two matchup.
Heat vision shouldn't ever even hinder let alone reflect the OE, you really have no conception of PIS do you?
Originally posted by waffelguyThat's entirely different and a team of foes taking him by surprise isn't a low showing by any standards.
you sure love to use PIS when you need it dont you?i can also bring some PIS and state that if thor was getting beat up by spider-man and the u foes took him then darkseid will just shit stomp him see? it works both ways , but without any PIS darkseid owns him and would own superman and wonder woman as well he is on another level darkseid stomps
Thor wins.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Again, your bias rears it's ugly head Superman has shown the ability to handle Darkseid and beat his head in when he needs to. It isn't pis it's how these two matchup.
Originally posted by Omega VisionNot recently. Darkseid's beams have only been shown really effective against Superman as of late when he has someone else to hit them with to trigger Superman's weakness.
You ignore the fact that the actual record is in Darkseid's favor. More often than not Darkseid has been shown as the clear superior.
This is Thor we are talking about and he can block and redirect his beams every time.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Again, your bias rears it's ugly head Superman has shown the ability to handle Darkseid and beat his head in when he needs to. It isn't pis it's how these two matchup. That's entirely different and a team of foes taking him by surprise isn't a low showing by any standards.Thor wins.
what?? how is it different? you are using darkseids low showings to prove thor can beat him and you ignore his ordenery abilities because if we bring them into acount then he shit stomps thor right? so if you want to bring up darkseids low showing which are being owned by superman then fine lets bring up thor being taken out by spider-man , cut by wolverine, taken out by the u foes which are nothing compared to superman and darkseid or hell even getting owned by captain america how about that? if we start to use PIS then thor will lose to half marvel universe dont go in there and darseid stomps
To me this is all too similar to that ridiculous SM vs Thanos thread. Thor and SM should be stomped by either Thanos or DS unless there is PIS or jobbing envolved.
If we assume that darkseid has simply been depowered and watered down instead of jobbing to SM, Batman and a flight of stairs in recent years, then Thor would win this. But IMO all of that was jobbing and piss poor writing.
Originally posted by 753
To me this is all too similar to that ridiculous SM vs Thanos thread. Thor and SM should be stomped by either Thanos or DS unless there is PIS or jobbing envolved.If we assume that darkseid has simply been depowered and watered down instead of jobbing to SM, Batman and a flight of stairs in recent years, then Thor would win this. But IMO all of that was jobbing and piss poor writing.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Honestly, Darkseid, always. Thor is no Superman. Though he might be as powerful as Superman he is not a Nexus being of an Nexus world and is not protected from the OE by an higher power.
I disagree with Rage about Thor being able to tank Darkseid's attacks, simply because Superman was only able to do that to the OB. Not the OE. But again, Thor doesn't need to tank anything. He can block every energy attack. And absorb it. And shoot it back 100 times as powerful. And if 'blood lust Thor' = Warrior's Madness Thor, then Thor's actually stronger than Darkseid and can physically take him apart, too.
This is not an easy match, any way you split it.
Originally posted by Enyalus
It'd be PIS if the OE ever even hits Thor, given Mjolnir's abilities.I disagree with Rage about Thor being able to tank Darkseid's attacks, simply because Superman was only able to do that to the OB. Not the OE. But again, Thor doesn't need to tank anything. He can block every energy attack. And absorb it. And shoot it back 100 times as powerful. And if 'blood lust Thor' = Warrior's Madness Thor, then Thor's actually stronger than Darkseid and can physically take him apart, too.
This is not an easy match, any way you split it.
Why the OE doesn't have to go straight for Thor? I also doubt that Mjolnir could shot back the OE at Darkseid who should be btw (in a PIS free enviroment) be immune to it's effect.
I disagree with WM Thor being stronger. Sunamped Superman was stronger then Darkseid but you still could argue it was PIS. Btw the moment Thor get's into striking range he won't be able to block the OE, locked Arms, shining eyes - Game Over 😐
Originally posted by Enyalus
It'd be PIS if the OE ever even hits Thor, given Mjolnir's abilities.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
No it wouldn't. Given the OE's properties (FTL, able to move around corners and through dimensions even) Thor won't be able to block it with Mjolnir, it will be like trying to hit a baseball that's moving at light speed in a zig-zag pattern: impossible unless you're the Flash or someone of similar speed.
And regarding Batman-Prime's opinion about not being able to absorb it and blast it back because DS is immune to the OE's effect (he's not really immune to the blasts effect, as he's had it deflected at him before and been hurt by it), that's not the way it works. Mjolnir absorbs the power, amplifies it, then launches it back as...I believe...an Anti-Force blast.
Originally posted by waffelguyWhat high showings of Darkseid's prove your case?
what?? how is it different? you are using darkseids low showings to prove thor can beat him and you ignore his ordenery abilities because if we bring them into acount then he shit stomps thor right? so if you want to bring up darkseids low showing which are being owned by superman then fine lets bring up thor being taken out by spider-man , cut by wolverine, taken out by the u foes which are nothing compared to superman and darkseid or hell even getting owned by captain america how about that? if we start to use PIS then thor will lose to half marvel universe dont go in there and darseid stomps
I didn't even bring up the Raker, Spectre oneshot, or DD showing.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeSuperman avoids the beams while Thor's hammer can block them at his leisure. When has this been stated as a justification as to why Superman beats Darkseid.
Honestly, Darkseid, always. Thor is no Superman. Though he might be as powerful as Superman he is not a Nexus being of an Nexus world and is not protected from the OE by an higher power.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaDD stomps Darkseid. I don't even have to use the Superman showing as I favor Thor against DD and he's well above Darkseid.
A healthy 😂 at Superman's wins/feats being transferred to Thor or being the reason the latter wins.
Originally posted by EnyalusI think Thor would be in bad shape but I see no reason why they would kill Thor, personally.
It'd be PIS if the OE ever even hits Thor, given Mjolnir's abilities.I disagree with Rage about Thor being able to tank Darkseid's attacks, simply because Superman was only able to do that to the OB. Not the OE. But again, Thor doesn't need to tank anything. He can block every energy attack. And absorb it. And shoot it back 100 times as powerful. And if 'blood lust Thor' = Warrior's Madness Thor, then Thor's actually stronger than Darkseid and can physically take him apart, too.
This is not an easy match, any way you split it.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
From what I've seen a blood lusted Superman do to Darkseid, I'd say Thor wins. I've seen Superman literally rip him apart.
I've seen that. I've also seen Spiderman beat down Firelord.
It's called PIS. 😛
Darkseid has an entire history of stuff well beyond Superman, since his inception to post crisis stuff.. (Remember, New Gods were officially not affected by the Crisis, even if unofficially that appears not to be the case..)
Some examples off the top of my head:
Used his Omega Effect to erase desaad. And later on a whim, unerase him.
Fired off some Omega Effect seekers that hunted down and hit each of the Forever People, despite their best efforts at escaping. These finders transported them to a different time.
Banished Infinity Man, twice. (Once in the original Kirby Forever People run, and once in a post crisis story.)
In the same post crisis story where Darkseid banishes Infinity Man, Superman claims the beams are too fast and can't escape them.
Darkseid creates Styne using his own powers, who's like an evil twin of Takion with a similar power set.
With only a portion of Darkseids power, Kalibak withstands an Astro Force attack from Orion, and than proceeds to beat him down. Yet when Darkseid enters the scene, and despite just being brought back to life, he easily defeats Kalibak.
In Byrnes "Jack Kirby's Fourth World", Darkseid is said to have defeated multiple Pantheon leaders and absorbed their power, growing stronger every time.
In Superman/Doomsday: Hunter/Prey, Superman is unable to stop Apokolips missiles. He's actually pounding uselessly on the things, to no avail. Darkseid sends out some finders, and as Superman marvels in awe how he's never really seen anything else like Darkseids finder beams before, they destroy the missiles.
In the same story, some finder beams hit Cyborg Superman directly, and part of Supermans costume vanishes as a side effect, and hurts him. Later, Superman is stuck in an endless battle with Cyborg animating various tech, seeming unable to finish him off. Darkseid grows impatient, and puts decisive end to the fight.
In Crisis on Infinite Earths, Darkseid sees through the eyes of Alexander Luthor, and sends some of his finders to cause Anti Monitor immense damage, setting him up for Supermans final attack (And since this is Earth 2 Supes we're talking about, I think it's safe to assume Darkseids finder beams did most of the work..)
Of course, there's the famous The Great Darkness Saga, which I highly recommend finding in trade paperback form. I still pop mine out every once in awhile..
The Spider-Man fight wasn't really P.I.S.
Those examples are very nice and all but I don't see how it changes the fact that Superman has looked better or made Darkseid his ***** in a few fights.
Off the top of my head Superman has looked superior to Darkseid in Action Comics #856, Apokolips Now #1, Superman/Batman #13 and #42, and Countdown to Final Crisis #49 in direct confrontations.
Superman has his high showings just like Darkseid has as well.