Everware is just the most recent name for the time machine that has always been T.O. Morrow's chief claim to fame. When it was a giant super computer like Doom's Prime Mover it was called MORROW. It's just a time machine that allows one to go anywhere and retrieve anything.
Reed has never created a multiverse from a single universe. He's created pocket dimensions/tesserects, but not a full blown multiverse, and he's never shown the ability to merge them together the way Alex Luthor was doing.
Originally posted by Desaad But prior to that, there wasn't a lot. Basically from Man of Steel until the Johns/Busiek era he became a business man, a Kingpin and a political manipulator. He had pockets of brilliance - Alan Moore's Swamp Thing had him design a device in under 60 seconds to destroy the Swamp Thing during his Plant-Elemental phase (when nothing else could)
It was actually 10 minutes, but still impressive. Also when Swamp Thing tried to get revenge on him he had defenses in his building that stopped his astral form.
If he wasn't from the future, Brainiac 5 really would be the shoe-in, he's by far the most like the Marvel scientists in being in a lot of fields.
Now here's a question: Which B5? 🙂 I would personally go for the Threeboot. He has ways of cancelling out any of his teammate's powers, he brought Dream Girl back from the dead, and he's just generally impressive both on the fly or in the lab.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
DAMN! I forgot to put Anarky on the list!! He deserves to be on the list more than Batman or even Mr. Terrific. The dude is crazy smart.
Yea, though he lacks as much page time.
Creating a teleporter that can go to Apokolips? That's really impressive.
Desaad
Like his Time Machine/super computer "Everware". I consider that more wide-reaching than anything Magnus has built, though as I said when it comes to creating artificial souls, Magnus seems to have the edge. His Metal Men are certainly more human than, say, Red Tornado.
I think Magnus disagrees. Reddy's got more free will than they do I believe, the metal men are more confined to their roles.
Then there's Tomorrow Woman, which he made the brain of, who was both very human like and broke from her assigned role.
When they talk about machine souls, they don't seem to mean 'ability to mimic a human' so much as ability to make their own choices and decisions. Amazo can at times be humanlike to talk to, but he definitely lacks that aspect.
Originally posted by Q99
If he wasn't from the future, Brainiac 5 really would be the shoe-in, he's by far the most like the Marvel scientists in being in a lot of fields.Now here's a question: Which B5? 🙂 I would personally go for the Threeboot. He has ways of cancelling out any of his teammate's powers, he brought Dream Girl back from the dead, and he's just generally impressive both on the fly or in the lab.
Nah, classic/current would be the winner, if only for stuff like the Concentrator. Three Boot did't do much. His most impressive feat was probably rearranging the solar system with the powers of Starboy and Light Lass (or whatever they were calling her).
I think Magnus disagrees. Reddy's got more free will than they do I believe, the metal men are more confined to their roles.
Nope. He's always very careful to call the Metal Men "men", rather than Robots, and when he went off his meds he made it clear that he could IMPROVE upon the 'artificial soul' code that T.O. Morrow wrote.
Then there's Tomorrow Woman, which he made the brain of, who was both very human like and broke from her assigned role.
The metal men have real personalities, and no program to speak of to break. Magnus doesn't control them at all, and they regularly show free will. They are, by everyone's admission, the most impressive thinking machines around.
Caulder would disagree that Magnus is the best roboticist around, probably, but that's more because he's a bastard than an honest evaluation of their relative skill levels.
When they talk about machine souls, they don't seem to mean 'ability to mimic a human' so much as ability to make their own choices and decisions. Amazo can at times be humanlike to talk to, but he definitely lacks that aspect.
They mean creating, from scratch, real people rather than a thing that SEEMS like real people. They're talking about synethetic souls, and both Morrow and Magnus can create them, but Magnus creates them better.
Originally posted by Desaad
Nah, classic/current would be the winner, if only for stuff like the Concentrator. Three Boot did't do much. His most impressive feat was probably rearranging the solar system with the powers of Starboy and Light Lass (or whatever they were calling her).
Light Lass, yea. But I'll note he not only did that but did it on the fly 🙂
He very consistently came across as one of the most dangerous legionnaires in the threeboot.
Nope. He's always very careful to call the Metal Men "men", rather than Robots, and when he went off his meds he made it clear that he could IMPROVE upon the 'artificial soul' code that T.O. Morrow wrote.
Maybe the original code, but some of his later stuff? I think Morrow likewise can surpass his old works.
Originally posted by Q99
Light Lass, yea. But I'll note he not only did that but did it on the fly 🙂He very consistently came across as one of the most dangerous legionnaires in the threeboot.
But without any real feats to compare to his other versions. The 'on the fly' thing was about as impressive as calculating trajectories too fast for a 30th century super computer to process, which is something he did fairly regularly both Post-Zero Hour and in the original incarnation.
And he still never had anything equivalent to the concentrator in any of his other incarnations.
Maybe the original code, but some of his later stuff? I think Morrow likewise can surpass his old works.
No, this was a code that Morrow wrote for Magnus at the beginning of 52.
The whole idea was that Magnus, drugging himself to stop him from being bi-polar, had lost that creative spark, that 'certain something', that had allowed him to create the Metal Men in the first place. T.O. Morrow had no such problems, and to get Magnus jump started gave him the coding he'd need. Then, later, Morrow had Magnus' medication taken away, which resulted him becoming increasingly erratic but also increasingly creative, bringing him back up to his original levels.
It was then that we see Magnus say he can improve upon Morrow's code, ie that (in this respect, at least) he had leapfrogged Morrow thanks to his lack of medication.
Originally posted by K Von Doom
What about the guy who created Amazo. Dr Ivo something?
It's an ongoing debate between these two as to which is more impressive - creating synthetic souls, beings of free will, or creating physically perfect simulations of humanity with immense power levels.
I don't think there's any doubt that Amazo is probably the single most powerful android ever built, but his thinking is notoriously limited. Ivo also created a formula that makes him immortal, though with obvious side effects.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Didn't Ivo create "Kid Amazo"? His thinking wasn't limited at all.
Yea, but I think he was a cyborg with a human or at least partially human brain. He had a biological mother.
He did also go insane and break down too, so while impressive, I'm not sure if he can be called a success.
Ok, so Ivo: Amazo series, Tomorrow Woman's body (but not mind), immortality serum.
Morrow: Red Tornado series, Tomorrow Woman's mind, his future-looking device, the device he used to open space the size of a football field inside Black Adam's head.
Magnus: The Metal Men series. Including but not limited to bullet-sized metal men, Plutonium, and turning himself into an android once.
Did I miss anything big?
Granting Magnus the best at making aritifical souls, I'd still give it to TO Morrow for versatility.
Originally posted by Q99
Ok, so Ivo: Amazo series, Tomorrow Woman's body (but not mind), immortality serum.
Also the Amazoids, who actively stole rather than copied abilities.
Morrow: Red Tornado series, Tomorrow Woman's mind, his future-looking device, the device he used to open space the size of a football field inside Black Adam's head.
Red Tornado series including the Red Volcano/Torpedo/Inferno. His 'future looking device' also had the ability to calculate what the outcome of certain tactics/changes would be, allowing him to alter reality to his whim. He created Genocide, the Wonder Woman villain who was supposed to be a god or whatever. He turned an iPod into a death ray, turned satellite tv into something to see the future (with, apparently, no real tools or access to any advanced technology). And he wrote that robotic soul code that Magnus later improved.
Magnus: The Metal Men series. Including but not limited to bullet-sized metal men, Plutonium, and turning himself into an android once.
If you're referring to Veridium, that got retconned out as a psychological breakdown/hallucination (that mini also introduced the idea that Magnus had never created the Metal Men, just transferred the souls of his friends into the robotic bodies).
Anyway, he also created an improved upon body for Cliff Steele/Robot Man of the Doom Patrol, that allowed him to taste and feel even more acutely than a human being. He could increase the level of his senses at will, to the point that he could even 'see' through his sense of touch. It was so complex that it spontaneously gained sentience and, with it's burgeoning consciousness, tried to destroy the real Cliff Steele's brain.
He also created a device to control Chemo, a flying car that ran 'on the kinetic energy of [his] thoughts', and a dimensional monitor and dimensional doorway that allowed him to look into and travel to other universes.
Granting Magnus the best at making aritifical souls, I'd still give it to TO Morrow for versatility.
Agreed, although I think Caulder and the Atom might be on the same level as Morrow.
Originally posted by Desaad
It's been changed constantly -- I don't think that his initial defection was attributed to the Wind Elemental.
initially, he had his memory wiped, yes, but the consciousness was always as detailed as it was because of the wind elemental, from what i recall.
i don't think morrow did that all himself.
He created Genocide, the Wonder Woman villain who was supposed to be a god or whatever.
Oh yea, I forgot about that.
Genocide was a combined effort between science and magic, so that was something of a team thing. Geno was made from Wonder Woman's body snatched from the future and infused with Ares's power.