Originally posted by Wild Shadow
The tranqs would be useless since Mr.X can easily block them.. the neural chaff might effect how X powers work the hypno lights might also further throw him off his game..i'll say Prometheus for now, i can have my mind changed with evidence.
The hypo lights won't work cuz X will have his shades on. 😎
Given the level of his suit when he last took on the Justice League, Prometheus with ease. He seems to be A LOT more powerful than before, and his suit is actively scanning and calculating how to defeat his foes. If he was vulnerable to telepathic attack, one would assume the Martian could have taken him down, which is another thing to consider.
Originally posted by Desaad
Given the level of his suit when he last took on the Justice League, Prometheus with ease. He seems to be A LOT more powerful than before, and his suit is actively scanning and calculating how to defeat his foes. If he was vulnerable to telepathic attack, one would assume the Martian could have taken him down, which is another thing to consider.
X isn't a telepath. He locks onto impulses and instinctively counters whatever you have going for you.
Originally posted by Desaad
Then how was he defeated by Wolverine in savage mode? Surely even if his conscious mind didn't know what he was about to do, his cerebral impulses would have been the same.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
There not when he berserker thats the problem. People dont understand Wolveriens mind actaully alters into another state of beinging and his mind and body increase in speed greatly. This through Mister X off, this is not something really anyone else can reprodue.
Uh, no.
The whole logic behind Wolverine defeat Mister X while in "Berzerker" mode wasn't that Wolverine becomes stronger, or faster, but that he is no longer in conscious control of his actions. He doesn't know what he's going to do before he does it. That is why Wolverine didn't try it until he knew the real reason behind X's effectiveness.
That wouldn't change the fact that his BODY knows what it's going to do, of course, which is why the whole 'reads brain impulses' doesn't hold up to any sort of scrutiny. In that appearance, he's specifically referred to as a low level telepath, and I'm inclined to believe that that is exactly what he is, based on the evidence. At the very least it makes him inconsistent.
Originally posted by Desaad
Uh, no.The whole logic behind Wolverine defeat Mister X while in "Berzerker" mode wasn't that Wolverine becomes stronger, or faster, but that he is no longer in conscious control of his actions. He doesn't know what he's going to do before he does it. That is why Wolverine didn't try it until he knew the real reason behind X's effectiveness.
Do you want me to post scans of how mister X powers work as stated on pannel?
Originally posted by Desaad
That wouldn't change the fact that his BODY knows what it's going to do, of course, which is why the whole 'reads brain impulses' doesn't hold up to any sort of scrutiny. In that appearance, he's specifically referred to as a low level telepath, and I'm inclined to believe that that is exactly what he is, based on the evidence. At the very least it makes him inconsistent.
It does hold up quite nicely if you understand what occured. He was locked onto wolverines impluses, which is why wolverine wa shvaing a hard time hitting him, however when he went berserker it alters his brian patterns which would disrupt mister x powers for a time and he also increases his impulses and actual speed.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Thats what Wolverine believed, thats not what actually happen. There two different things, wolverine did not understand how mister x powers work, he hypothesized what his powers were and was wrong.Do you want me to post scans of how mister X powers work as stated on pannel?
That only proves that he, and SHIELD, are wrong. At least insofar as the exact mechanism through which his powers work. Because we have on panel evidence of his powers NOT working that way, by way of Wolverine beating him.
That strategy couldn't have worked if his abilities actually functioned by way of the impulses of the brain. You can't 'speed up' how quickly your synapses fire just by going crazy.
AGain thats what Wolverine believed it was wrong. As stated his powers are to lock onto impulses of his opponents, this is stated numerous times by the narrative. The narrative never stated him as simply a telepath that reads minds, that was Wolverine believe, but he was incorrect.
3rd party descriptions of his abilities are less valid than on panel evidence of the mechanism by which they work. If all we had was Wolverine's explanation, I would be inclined to agree with you. But we have Wolverine's description validated by a genuine confrontation.
This seems to be backed up by Iron Fist defeating him as well, with his drunken style. His electrical impulses would have had to be the same to achieve the same physical effect (a punch is a punch, neurologically speaking), and he even goes so far as to say "Telepathy, got it".
It does hold up quite nicely if you understand what occured. He was locked onto wolverines impluses, which is why wolverine wa shvaing a hard time hitting him, however when he went berserker it alters his brian patterns which would disrupt mister x powers for a time and he also increases his impulses and actual speed.
How could it increase the speed of his impulses? Are you saying that Wolverine is tapping into the speed force? Because the implication that you're making is that he's actually increasing the speed of electricity -- patently impossible.
No, Wolverine made an evaluation of his abilities. At that point, the validity of that evaluation was up in the air, yes. Then he put into an effect a strategy that tested the validity of his evaluation -- he proved himself correct by way of succeeding.
