Originally posted by Desaad
That only proves that he, and SHIELD, are wrong. At least insofar as the exact mechanism through which his powers work. Because we have on panel evidence of his powers NOT working that way, by way of Wolverine beating him.
You understand how reconnt work correct? Even then it can be rationally explain how Wolverine berserker work as I will explain below.
Originally posted by Desaad
That strategy couldn't have worked if his abilities actually functioned by way of the impulses of the brain. You can't 'speed up' how quickly your synapses fire just by going crazy.
Originally posted by Desaad
3rd party descriptions of his abilities are less valid than on panel evidence of the mechanism by which they work. If all we had was Wolverine's explanation, I would be inclined to agree with you. But we have Wolverine's description validated by a genuine confrontation.
Originally posted by Desaad
This seems to be backed up by Iron Fist defeating him as well, with his drunken style. His electrical impulses would have had to be the same to achieve the same physical effect (a punch is a punch, neurologically speaking), and he even goes so far as to say "Telepathy, got it".
Again this was the one issue done by reember and he ignored X stated powers and shown powers through out the arc. Also the issue even contradicted it self. It state dhow his powers work in the issue, but then contradicted it self……..it as stupid. Yea X was said by luke unable to lock on to two opponents brain patterns at once…….and yet in his first appearances in thunderbolts he did just that as well as numerous
other fights. Again how does one issue which ignored the entire runs explanation of his powers and display of them over shadow an entire run which stated his powers? Sorry but how does that not sound stupid to you?
Originally posted by Desaad
How could it increase the speed of his impulses? Are you saying that Wolverine is tapping into the speed force? Because the implication that you're making is that he's actually increasing the speed of electricity -- patently impossible.
Your talking about comics, in which people turn from solid metal to flesh, can fly, can turn into mist, can go from ice to flesh ect…….
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Here on pannel stated facts by Hammer and Mister X.
No crap from reember one issue were he clearly read nothing on the character during the run over shadows this.....
Look, I'm done here. I've made my point. We've had numerous examples of it being shown that it's just weak telepathy, that he's not actually reading the electrical impulses of the brain. If you need to ignore that for some reason, by all means continue to do so. But those of us without a horse in this race see pretty clearly how his powers have been demonstrated to work.
Originally posted by Desaad
Look, I'm done here. I've made my point. We've had numerous examples of it being shown that it's just weak telepathy, that he's not actually reading the electrical impulses of the brain. If you need to ignore that for some reason, by all means continue to do so. But those of us without a horse in this race see pretty clearly how his powers have been demonstrated to work.
Notcie how I am the only one who provided scans?
Funnier even is the fact there are many more examples of his powers working reading electrical impulses and many more examples of him stating thats how his powers work
STATEING IT HIM SELF.
Find it funny that you pretend I am being rediculous because I am going by his stated powers on pannel by him self and the author and going by his majority of his showings. Your going by the miniority of his showings and statement by wolverine prior to his real development of his character and I still found rational expl;anation for it. Oh and your other example is an issue by reember which he was not the writer of thudnerbolts and contradicted the entire run and himself......
i think what battlehammer is saying no matter what logan said it isnt official since he really has no true understanding of how X powers work and simply made an educated guess.
his power could be many things or non of them. no one can really say for sure how X powers work without actually studying him. it could all be hyperbole even if it comes from Mister X mouth... so their is nothing to suggest what logan said to have more weight to what Shield agents said. if anything their is more reliability what Shield intel says and what X says then what logan said.
i am willing to dismiss logan's assumption for a more detailed and far more educated analyzes of X's ability in more modern stories due to more character growth.
hinging on just one comment is a weak argument when it is overshadowed by more relevant and more detailed modern explanation since the character's 1st appearances.
Also the major thing that proves Wolverine wrong and everyone that pretending X is simply low level mind reader dispite X and shields own statements is the fact X's powers still worked on BLACK WIDOW. The same BLACK WIDOW, who TP BLOCKER was so good Norman Osborn who consistently has his people mind read especially prior to highering them fooled, but X's powers still work, becuase it not mind reading like normal telepaths.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
[B]i think what battlehammer is saying no matter what logan said it isnt official since he really has no true understanding of how X powers work and simply made an educated guess.
I understand what Battlehammer is saying, and he's wrong.
If all we had was Wolverine's supposition, I would agree with you 100%. His own description of his abilities would trump that.
But Wolverine's supposition is backed up by a test. A test that, was X's own explanation true, Mr. X would have passed. But he didn't. Wolverine shut down his conscious thought by going into 'insane' mode, and that proved to be enough to totally destroy X, despite him having apparently mastered dozens of earth martial arts. Had Mr. X been reading Wolverine's neural signals, as battlehammer claims, then there wouldn't have been any difference. Mr. X would have been able to read what Wolverine's body was going to do, and respond accordingly. The vast difference in his performance from one battle to the next makes Wolverine's analysis undeniably more accurate than that of Mr. X or SHIELD (really, that of Jeff Parker since both descriptions were written by the same writer).
so their is nothing to suggest what logan said to have more weight to what Shield agents said. if anything their is more reliability what Shield intel says and what X says then what logan said.
If all we had was statements, absolutely. But we have numerous encounters by which we can evaluate this - his fight against Wolverine, his fight against Iron Fist, and his fight against Luke Cage.
There hasn't been a SINGLE battle that he's had that has demonstrated an ability to do anything but read the conscious mind of his opponents.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
[BNotcie how I am the only one who provided scans?
Since when are scans a requirement? I'm the only one bringing up relevant reference points of Mr. X in action. Your entire argument hinges upon statements made by one writer. Mine hinges upon statements mind by multiple writers, backed up by actual combat showings.
Funnier even is the fact there are many more examples of his powers working reading electrical impulses and many more examples of him stating thats how his powers work
Show me an example of specific mention being made that an opponent's conscious thoughts are shielded/unreadable (as was the case with Wolverine and Iron Fist and Luke Cage) and Mr. X 'reading' an opponent anyway.
Because I have yet to see even one presented here.
awesome just ignore what I said and keep stating the same crpa over again awesome how great notice how you completely ignored what I brought up.
Again reconnt (do you understand what that is)
again reember contradicted the entire arc in his one issue, he contradicted himself even. Again in the very first Tunderbolts apearances I mister X he able disproves reembers statements made by IF and Luke Cage in issue 137.
Again if he read there minds how was he able to know Black Widows moves? The same Black widow who telepathic blockers would good enough to hide her true idientity from Normal Osborns telepaths?
Again Mister X has stated the power and shown it, oh and your arguements even furth proven incorrect by X inability to know Ghosts was there was intangiable. Telepaths who reads minds would know, but becuases X relies on locking onto impulses he was unable to register him due to Ghost intangiability, becuase it was as if then impulses vanished.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Also the major thing that proves Wolverine wrong and everyone that pretending X is simply low level mind reader dispite X and shields own statements is the fact X's powers still worked on BLACK WIDOW. The same BLACK WIDOW, who TP BLOCKER was so good Norman Osborn who consistently has his people mind read especially prior to highering them fooled, but X's powers still work, becuase it not mind reading like normal telepaths.
Was specific mention made of her TP blocker when she went up against Mr. X? Did it specifically shield against someone who is reading one's surface thoughts?
Again, I'm looking for an example of a battle in which someone specifically clouds/blocks/shuts down their conscious thoughts in some way, and Mr. X still coming out on top. I've given you three examples of him losing in such situations, with specific mention being made of his power being low level telepathy. You've given me one writer saying that his power was something else, and zero examples of him demonstrating it.
Please don't send me PMs about what we're discussing in this thread.
Originally posted by Desaad
Since when are scans a requirement? I'm the only one bringing up relevant reference points of Mr. X in action. Your entire argument hinges upon statements made by one writer. Mine hinges upon statements mind by multiple writers, backed up by actual combat showings.
Originally posted by Desaad
Show me an example of specific mention being made that an opponent's conscious thoughts are shielded/unreadable (as was the case with Wolverine and Iron Fist and Luke Cage) and Mr. X 'reading' an opponent anyway.Because I have yet to see even one presented here.
Luke and IF example was garbage in X first apearances on Thudnerbolts he was fighting two opponents effortlessly, but magically reember issue (who clearly neevr even read the arc he was writing an issue for) had X unable to lock onto two individuals impulses dispite x doing this numerosu times.
Originally posted by dmills
I wish we could get some consistency. In issue 136 he claimed he knew that Headsman was about to hit Scourge and not Snowbird. Looks like TP to me. Also, does his power grant enhanced reflexes too?
also it has been very consistent, the only inconsistenences was when reember took over for that issue or two.......and it was awful writting by a sos so writer (thats beeing nice to be honest). Asside from that his powers have been consistently demenstrated through out the arc.
