So intelligent he was corrupted by a race of beings he was slaughtering.
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Sargeras is much more powerful than Ganon, but I have yet to be impressed by his intellect.
Although, according to Q, it is possible in Azeroth for an Old God to be resurrected to its prime.
If this were to happen, Ganondorf will be hopeless.
I will answer BT's post tomorrow, too late nao.
Originally posted by NemeBro
So intelligent he was corrupted by a race of beings he was slaughtering.😐
Sargeras is much more powerful than Ganon, but I have yet to be impressed by his intellect.
Although, according to Q, it is possible in Azeroth for an Old God to be resurrected to its prime.
If this were to happen, Ganondorf will be hopeless.
I will answer BT's post tomorrow, too late nao.
Things have changed alot recently though, the Eredar for instance was now created by Sargeras, and the only known race he encountered was the Dreadlords and they didn't get killed he merely imprisoned them (atleast I still think that is what he did). So all we know is to be frank that he got corrupted to thinking that the titans was a bunch of idiots. However thousands of years could have passed before the change, and changing view to a idea that you think has greater potential is quite common. Look at how a vast majority of interlectuals in the 1920-30's believed that if something should be done to leave the crisis, then the only way out of it was to do what Russia did. To be marked as intelligent doesn't mean that your view can't change based on experience or collected data.
Originally posted by Utrigitathank you, you said what i was thinking but couldnt articulate the words
Things have changed alot recently though, the Eredar for instance was now created by Sargeras, and the only known race he encountered was the Dreadlords and they didn't get killed he merely imprisoned them (atleast I still think that is what he did). So all we know is to be frank that he got corrupted to thinking that the titans was a bunch of idiots. However thousands of years could have passed before the change, and changing view to a idea that you think has greater potential is quite common. Look at how a vast majority of interlectuals in the 1920-30's believed that if something should be done to leave the crisis, then the only way out of it was to do what Russia did. To be marked as intelligent doesn't mean that your view can't change based on experience or collected data.
Originally posted by NemeBro
So intelligent he was corrupted by a race of beings he was slaughtering
Sargeras did not slaughter the demons he fought, as already mentioned. I will admit that there is little intelligence behind the things Sargeras has done, but his intelligence is not to be judged by that particular event.
Sargeras has fought demons for countless eons. He was sent out to prevent chaos and to uphold order in the Great Dark Beyond and beyond, but when years in the thousand started flying by, his never-ending quest to prevent corruption and chaos lost its purpose. He little by little realized how hopeless a dream of order and beauty was, and eventually he became who he is today.
No set race corrupted Sargeras. His own quest for order and beauty did, because it was a hopeless dream.
Originally posted by menokokoro
deathwing (not even the most powerful being on azeroth) has control over the land of azeroth, so much so that he pretty much destroys all of azeroth just from waking from a nap. then there are the old gods, ragnarock, azshara, Malfurion stormrage, the dragon flights (the ones still alive), and there are more that i cannot think of, and 10 years is not long at all, the people of azeroth have fought sargeras who has been plotting the destruction of...well everything for thousands of years, and is much more intelegent and powerful than ganon
The Old Gods are still imprisoned, even if the Twilight cult is working to correct that error.
Ragnaros is banished and reside on the Elemental plane. He is active, but he will not be entering Azeroth. So unless Ganondorf head into the Elemental plane and Ragnaros fortress, Ragnaros will not be doing any good.
Azshara lies idle in the Maelstrom. We do not even know what the ten thousand years she has been absent has done to her personality. Unfortunately for Azeroth, if she is as she always has been, the Naga will join Ganondorf and Azshara will try to marry him.
Malfurion Stormrage is sleeping.
Nozdormu would not care enough to get involved. What happens in the mortal realm is of no importance.
Malygos is dead, or so World of Warcraft imply.
Ysera is sleeping and there are no implications that Ganon's onrush would wake her up. Not unless he threatened her and her flight, but because he has access to information on Azeroth, he would not be that stupid. He would probably build up a perimeter around Ysera and prevent anyone from disturbing her rest. His best choice of action is keeping her sleeping.
Alexstrasza would want to help, but her fellow flights are not as active as her about the well-fare of the world.
There is also nothing impressive about having beaten Sargeras. They did not do it with power, might or intelligence. They were lucky. Very, very lucky. I will repeat that: Very, VERY lucky. Nothing more. If Sargeras entered Azeroth, there would be no hope. None at all. Their combined forces, all of them, could not do a thing to him.
The one individual that could, wouldn't.
i know all that, i was just saying that those people are there and could be of some use if the people of azeroth used them. but the actual leaders of azeroth would put up an awesome fight against him, if not beat him. they are not weak, especially together, and there is plenty of holy power to put him down, which is all the light arrows are.
Originally posted by Q'Aniliaoh yeah, dont get me wrong, if he ever actually got to azeroth they might as well just give up. and really, when the burning legion was actually attacking azeroth at full force, i wouldnt really call it luck that they pushed them back...as a very large amount of them died in the process, when death wing used the...uhm dragon soul? (its been a while) against them. but thats probably not what you were referring to
If Sargeras entered Azeroth, there would be no hope. None at all. Their combined forces, all of them, could not do a thing to him.
The one individual that could, wouldn't.
edit: oh yeah, but even if he somehow defeated all of azeroth, i highly doubt he could kill death wing, nor could he outsmart him or join forces with him, death wing would just pick him up and bite his head off
Originally posted by menokokoro
there is plenty of holy power to put him down, which is all the light arrows are.
And silver arrows made of silver that can beat him with the combined power of their gods. I am sure Azeroth could get their hands on some. And with Sylvanus beating Link in the archery contest, Azeroth only need her and they win.
Originally posted by menokokoro
i know all that, i was just saying that those people are there and could be of some use if the people of azeroth used them. but the actual leaders of azeroth would put up an awesome fight against him, if not beat him. they are not weak, especially together, and there is plenty of holy power to put him down, which is all the light arrows are.oh yeah, dont get me wrong, if he ever actually got to azeroth they might as well just give up. and really, when the burning legion was actually attacking azeroth at full force, i wouldnt really call it luck that they pushed them back...as a very large amount of them died in the process, when death wing used the...uhm dragon soul? (its been a while) against them. but thats probably not what you were referring to
edit: oh yeah, but even if he somehow defeated all of azeroth, i highly doubt he could kill death wing, nor could he outsmart him or join forces with him, death wing would just pick him up and bite his head off
The leaders of Azeroth are all either arrogant or naive. Thrall would try negotiate, attack with caution, and Varian Wrynn would rather have his nation crumble than side with the Horde, which would be necessary. If anyone can save Azeroth, it's the rogue organizations or the Kirin Tor.
Deathwing did not win Azeroth the war against the Burning Legion. In fact, he crippled the forces of Azeroth. Ysera was the one that made a difference, and only because a twist of fate killed Malorne. If she had not seen the lifeless body of Malorne, she would not have wiped out the overwhelming army like she did and they would've been too late to prevent Sargeras entry. It was luck.
The Dragon Soul almost messed the whole thing up, not the other way around. Sargeras even used it so that he could enter the world.
Originally posted by menokokoro
edit: oh yeah, but even if he somehow defeated all of azeroth, i highly doubt he could kill death wing, nor could he outsmart him or join forces with him, death wing would just pick him up and bite his head off
His political power has not shown to be "that" good. Hes not killing any smaller group of dragons, let alone an aspect or adult.
His only hope is getting other entities in Warcraft to fight eachother. If he can stir up the old hatreds into a full scale war between horde and alliance then he will be able to cause trouble in Azeroth but not actually conquer it.
The leaders of Azeroth are all either arrogant or naive. Thrall would try negotiate, attack with caution, and Varian Wrynn would rather have his nation crumble than side with the Horde, which would be necessary. If anyone can save Azeroth, it's the rogue organizations or the Kirin Tor.Imho, the Alliance and the Horde aren't really the problem. I think Ganondorf could easily put them down. It's once the more powerful characters get involved that things start to get interesting. For example Med'an, and the Tirisfal counciil as you mentioned. I still need to learn more about them so I can debate how that would play out properly, though. mmm
I'm off to finish reading the Sunwell trilogy.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Archimonde's stupidity was, as it is usual, one of the reasons why the first invasion failed.
One can also from my perspective argue if Archimonde a eredar warlock thousands of years old, being one of the leaders among the original eredar, having served on hundreds of worlds as second in command, is really as stupid as he was portrayed in the books, and if Sargeras would have chosen a idiot to work for him.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
The leaders of Azeroth are all either arrogant or naive. Thrall would try negotiate, attack with caution, and Varian Wrynn would rather have his nation crumble than side with the Horde, which would be necessary. If anyone can save Azeroth, it's the rogue organizations or the Kirin Tor.
They united once, they can do so again imo, the question ofcause then is if they will unite in time. However as you mention the possibility of them uniting in time is slim, and the ones that are going to play a major part in repelling Ganondorf is going to be the individuel organisations or very powerful beings by themselves.
Another thing we perhaps should thinking of drawing a little more into the equation is what level of impact the Lich King will play, he isn't going to be particular happy about Ganondorf's arrival either.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
No set race corrupted Sargeras. His own quest for order and beauty did, because it was a hopeless dream.
I will like to point out that in the original character biografi of Sargeras the Dreadlords and Eredar was mentioned as the two races that had by far the greatest impact, and the way I read it, the dreadlords take the role as being the race that troubled him the most based on how they corrupted worlds.
Originally posted by Cub
Cho'gall brought C'thun back to life and Med'an killed him the moment the new council gave him their powers. I dont think Ganondorf could bring an Old God back to life. It takes a lot of power. Should Med'an fight, Ganondorf will fall. And I did take that line from Hercules 😛
How would Med'an handle a Twilight Field? mmm