Originally posted by Starscream M
cuz hulk jobs to thor.
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Yea, because Thor a being with the ability to utterly annihilate the Hulk if he feels like it being reduced to fight the Hulk like a brute in basically every single one of his encounters, and is treated like a joke compared to the Hulk in almost all of their alternate universe encounters is the one the Hulk jobs to amirite?
Go back to your corner.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympusno you dolt
😂Yea, because Thor a being with the ability to utterly annihilate the Hulk if he feels like it being reduced to fight the Hulk like a brute in basically every single one of his encounters, and is treated like a joke compared to the Hulk in almost all of their alternate universe encounters is the one the Hulk jobs to amirite?
Go back to your corner.
savage hulk should treat thor like a ragdoll in any elongated battle (as depicted in Hulk vs Thor)
instead, for some reason, writers forget Hulk's durability and strength amps when he is pitted against blondie...that is straight PIS
Thor not using all of his powers is just thor being thor.
again, do you not comprehend that Hulk jobs when fighting thor?
Originally posted by Starscream M
no you doltsavage hulk should treat thor like a ragdoll in any elongated battle (as depicted in Hulk vs Thor)
instead, for some reason, writers forget Hulk's durability and strength amps when he is pitted against blondie...that is straight PIS
Thor not using all of his powers is just thor being thor.
again, do you not comprehend that Hulk jobs when fighting thor?
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No he should not.
Durability? Hulk has straight up been called invulnerable previously in a battle against Thor. He had Superman level durability at the time, and it was shown.
Strength amping? That's why he goes around yelling, the angrier he gets the stronger he gets, that his stronger than ever etc. throughout their fights right?
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It's like you try and fail epically at least once a day. Don't ever change brucy.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympusok lets follow that logic..since you admitted some critical points
😂No he should not.
Durability? Hulk has straight up been called invulnerable previously in battles against Thor.
Strength amping? That's why he goes around yelling, the angrier he gets the stronger he gets, that his stronger than ever etc. throughout their fights right?
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It's like you try and fail epically at least once a day. Don't ever change brucy.
1) hulk is straight up invulnerable the angrier he gets (guess what, same ain't true for blondie). so the longer the fight lasts, the weaker and more injured thor gets while thor only gets even more durable and his HF works even faster. Glad you agree.
2) Hulk gets stronger as they fight (reverse for blondie). Hence without writer PIS, Hulk should be tossing thor around like a sack of rice as the fight goes on...but it doesn't, because marvel can let it's blue eyed blondie get humiliated by an ugly monster.
so you see, you actually agree with me that Hulk SHOULD be pummeling Thor even though it might not happen.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The writers would not let him do it, because he cannot do it. At least not as far as we have seen. You need to have power on the high end of the Skyfather spectrum as far as I can tell to damage that shield, and the Hulk has never reached that level, and whether he can reach that level is doubtful. Marvel has different levels of infinite apparently. The word gets thrown around too much.Thor and his apparent built in limits have allowed him to match the Hulk in a contest of strength for entire hours.
At the levels the hulk was for that fight yes. The hulk is placed at whatever level the story needs him at and it's consitant with his powerset. His strengh is potentially infinite, so it is possible for him to do it without outside boosts.
World breaker might do it. When thor dented it, he dwasn't at a high end skyfather level, although he was amped.
Originally posted by Starscream M
ok lets follow that logic..since you admitted some critical points1) hulk is straight up invulnerable the angrier he gets (guess what, same ain't true for blondie). so the longer the fight lasts, the weaker and more injured thor gets while thor only gets even more durable and his HF works even faster. Glad you agree.
2) Hulk gets stronger as they fight (reverse for blondie). Hence without writer PIS, Hulk should be tossing thor around like a sack of rice as the fight goes on...but it doesn't, because marvel can let it's blue eyed blondie get humiliated by an ugly monster.
so you see, you actually agree with me that Hulk SHOULD be pummeling Thor even though it might not happen.
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I honestly have absolutely no idea, why I bother, but I'm bored so whatever.
1) Thor's damage soak has always been ridiculous so I have absolutely no idea why you have a problem with him lasting against the Hulk as long as he has. Thor's withstood attacks and onslaughts from beings way above the Hulk.
2) I've always been of the opinion that Thor's reservoir of strength is so vast it allows him to overcome the limits that we see day to day. Heck you can even go with the entire his strength is limited to his will power shtick that Superman fans use. I could definitely make an argument for that if I wanted to and it would actually make sense now that I think about it, but I've mocked Phil about it so it would be hypocritical. Anyways, Thor's stalemated and utterly owned dumb Drax with the Power Gem, stalemated Kurse despite the fact he should be 3 times stronger than Thor, briefly overpowered the Scarlet Scarab when he drained Thor of all his strength and added it all on to his own near Class 100 strength. Thor has been doing impressive and crazy shit like this throughout his career. Him stalemating the Hulk in a contest of strength over a long period time, is no more ridiculous then what his done on other instances.
Maybe, just maybe, Thor's a lot tougher and stronger than you give him credit.
Originally posted by 753
At the levels the hulk was for that fight yes. The hulk is placed at whatever level the story needs him at and it's consitant with his powerset. His strengh is potentially infinite, so it is possible for him to do it without outside boosts.World breaker might do it. When thor dented it, he dwasn't at a high end skyfather level, although he was amped.
It is potentially near infinite for his tierl. Although when you can go higher up the food chain, it's finite.
Thor had the Odin Force at the time. Of course he was still limiting himself mentally as later revealed, but he was still at the least Skyfather level.
I highly doubt that World Breaker could do it. Okay maybe if Pak was writing, but even then I doubt it.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympushulk is the strongest being in Marvel. period. he is the epitome of strength.
facepalmMaybe, just maybe, Thor's a lot tougher and stronger than you give him credit.
to say that thor now also has a limitless reserve of power is going against the whole role that hulk plays...which is uniquely his. that his strength can increase without limit.
thor's cannot. you're just pulling things outta your behind.
Originally posted by Starscream M
hulk is the strongest being in Marvel. period. he is the epitome of strength.to say that thor now also has a limitless reserve of power is going against the whole role that hulk plays...which is uniquely his. that his strength can increase without limit.
thor's cannot. you're just pulling things outta your behind.
Ignored everything. Why am I not surprised?
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No, he is not the strongest being in Marvel.
Apparently he isn't the epitome of strength when Thor's around.
Pff. Thor doesn't care about roles and status'. He pisses on them when he gets angry.
Hulk's strength is limitless? Thor can match it and even defeat him in battle when his pissed off. Drax's strength is limitless? Thor can match it and even defeat him in battle when mad. Kurse is supposed to be multiple times stronger than Thor? Screw it, a pissed off Thor can match him and toss him like a rag doll. Grog has pretty decent super human strength and Thor's apparently helpless? He get's pissed off, and kicks his ass anyway. Are you seeing the pattern here?
The fight with Ulik captures it rather well. Ulik just beat Hercules (Hercules was suffering from confidence issues at the time.), and we all know Ulik is on Thor's level at base. Well, Thor engages him with Hercules and gets thrown around after Ulik amps himself thousands of times with power. Then Ulik makes a big mistake, he endangers a cop that is Thor's friend and makes Thor angry. Can you guess the result?
Are you seeing the pattern yet?
Clearly I am. It's not as if I listed various feats that have occurred on panel and am basing my opinion on reading Thor and all of his appearances.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It is potentially near infinite for his tier
not sure what this means. what is near infinte? and how can it be infinit just for his tier. It is potentially infinite so he can surpass the tier his average portraysl have him at. He can match and surpass Odin's physical strngh, but only his strengh. whether or not he has done it is a different matter, but he can. The strongest version of him I know is probably worldbreaker, although some savage hulk showings are irrationally powerfull too. Anyway, almost destroying the earth by walking puts him in a league of pure physical strengh of his own
Originally posted by 753
not sure what this means. what is near infinte? and how can it be infinit just for his tier. It is potentially infinite so he can surpass the tier his average portraysl have him at. He can match and surpass Odin's physical strngh, but only his strengh. whether or not he has done it is a different matter, but he can. The strongest version of him I know is probably worldbreaker, although some savage hulk showings are irrationally powerfull too. Anyway, almost destroying the earth by walking puts him in a league of pure physical strengh of his own
Could Hulk get stronger than the Living Tribunal or the "One Above All"?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hulk's strength is limitless? Thor can match it and even defeat him in battle when his pissed off. Drax's strength is limitless? Thor can match it and even defeat him in battle when mad. Kurse is supposed to be multiple times stronger than Thor? Screw it, a pissed off Thor can match him and toss him like a rag doll. Grog has pretty decent super human strength and Thor's apparently helpless? He get's pissed off, and kicks his ass anyway. Are you seeing the pattern here?The fight with Ulik captures it rather well. Ulik just beat Hercules (Hercules was suffering from confidence issues at the time.), and we all know Ulik is on Thor's level at base. Well, Thor engages him with Hercules and gets thrown around after Ulik amps himself thousands of times with power. Then Ulik makes a big mistake, he endangers a cop that is Thor's friend and makes Thor angry. Can you guess the result?
Are you seeing the pattern yet?
Clearly I am. It's not as if I listed various feats that have occurred on panel and am basing my opinion on reading Thor and all of his appearances.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Could Hulk get stronger than the Living Tribunal or the "One Above All"?
They dont really have physical strengh do they? they dont have physical bodies like the hulk. Although they could make avatars with infinite strengh if they wanted to.
Infinite is an abstraction that creates some problems when thinking in comparative terms, but 'infinite is not > infinite' (without going into the philosophy of the matter and whether or not infinity can contain infinity here this works for most situations) so no, he can never surpass those who have inifinite strengh like the avatars i mentioned or potential infinite strengh like he himself has
Originally posted by Enyalus
I think in Calculus II you learn that there's actually no such thing as infinity...We need h1 in here to drop some maths knowledge!!!!
I think things can only tend towars infinity, but never reach it. so the concept of limits is used in calculus.
still as an abstraction it's used in philosophy and logic. lets say the hulk destroys a galaxy with a thunder clap (yeah I know how retarded it sounds, but its the hulk) someone else with infinite strengh can match and surpass that, he can then match and surpass their feats and so on and so forth with no end.
We should get h1's opinion on the matter anyway, because he's fun!
Originally posted by 753
They dont really have physical strengh do they? they dont have physical bodies like the hulk. Although they could make avatars with infinite strengh if they wanted to.Infinite is an abstraction that creates some problems when thinking in comparative terms, but 'infinite is not > infinite' (without going into the philosophy of the matter and whether or not infinity can contain infinity here this works for most situations) so no, he can never surpass those who have inifinite strengh like the avatars i mentioned or potential infinite strengh like he himself has
Since you view the LT and TOAA as also having infinite strengh, I obviously asked the wrong question.
Do you believe Hulk could match their strength?
Originally posted by Silent Master
Since you view the LT and TOAA as also having infinite strengh, I obviously asked the wrong question.Do you believe Hulk could match their strength?
I think he can (not saying he will) match any strengh feats their avatars with physical strengh can do and vice versa with no end, yes.
