Originally posted by Enyalus
Don't be ridiculous. If Power Gem Thor couldn't bust out of it, Sentry can't either.
We should assume that Power Gem Thor is stronger than normal Thor, but I doubt the difference would be all that large. Automatically having the Power Gem doesn't automatically mean tapping into it's power; at least to any great degree does it?
Void Sentry > Power Gem Thor as seen in Blood and Thunder
At least in my opinion.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympussentry has done nothing that surfer couldn't do...and thanos owns surfer.
Wow, Thanos is getting a lot of love in this thread.Sentry can disperse Molecule Man, and is basically indestructible physically plus he has Thor on his side but somehow Thanos wins the majority? The only way I can see Thanos winning is if he went beyond the physical and attacked maybe Sentry's soul etc. He could go down the mind rape or mental route but I'm not sure how well that would work with Sentry being the way he is. We've seen that it doesn't work well on him. If he could win using these tactics, I highly doubt he could do it for the majority. Especially not with Thor on the other team.
Originally posted by Starscream M
sentry has done nothing that surfer couldn't do...and thanos owns surfer.
1) When has Surfer shown regeneration powers on par with Sentry's? Literally reforming from being destroyed instantly.
2) When has Surfer shown enough raw power and molecular control to make Owen Reece his *****?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus1) when he reformed his board after it was broken
1) When has Surfer shown regeneration powers on par with Sentry's? Literally reforming from being destroyed instantly.2) When has Surfer shown enough raw power and molecular control to make Owen Reece his *****?
2) when he evolved a planet
Originally posted by Starscream M
1) when he reformed his board after it was broken2) when he evolved a planet
1) How does reforming his board after being broken even begin to match reforming himself molecule by molecule after having them dispersed by Molecule Man, or after exploding into nothing?
2) Evolving a planet is a nice feat, doesn't match making Molecule Man your *****. Not at all. Molecule Man could be a fraction as powerful as he was in the past, in he would still be a good deal beyond that.
How can you say Void Sentry greater than PG Thor? I'm also unclear how you can say.. that PG Thor was "a little" stronger... Come on man.. He was A LOT stronger. He was shown wrecking a team he's never even come close to doing before. With ease mind you. It shows him standing up to Thanos like he's never stood up to him before and going toe 2 toe. He was obviously more powerful and not a little.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
How can you say Void Sentry greater than PG Thor? I'm also unclear how you can say.. that PG Thor was "a little" stronger... Come on man.. He was A LOT stronger. He was shown wrecking a team he's never even come close to doing before. With ease mind you. It shows him standing up to Thanos like he's never stood up to him before and going toe 2 toe. He was obviously more powerful and not a little.
Didn't he wreck the IW already before getting the Gem from Drax?
^Yes he did.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
How can you say Void Sentry greater than PG Thor? I'm also unclear how you can say.. that PG Thor was "a little" stronger... Come on man.. He was A LOT stronger. He was shown wrecking a team he's never even come close to doing before. With ease mind you. It shows him standing up to Thanos like he's never stood up to him before and going toe 2 toe. He was obviously more powerful and not a little.
That's because the Sentry is more powerful than Thor with the Power Gem.
Prove to me his a lot stronger.
He already wrecked the Infinity Watch previously. The team he fought when he had the Power Gem simply had an addition of Silver Surfer, Adam Warlock and Dr. Strange. He already showed us that he was way beyond the first two previously. He treated Adam Warlock and Norrin as annoyances to the point there attacks were useless and they had to flee. Adding the two to a team he was already owning wouldn't really do much. Adam Warlock didn't even participate and all Norrin did was keep his distance and unleashing energy attacks (Something that was futile before the Power Gem instance.). And in the last fight against the Infinity Watch the first time we saw him tap into the Power Gem was to defeat Dr. Strange and Adam Warlock by reflecting their attack. Before that, he didn't do anything that he wouldn't have been capable of doing without the Power Gem looking back at the rest of Blood and Thunder.
So yea, I don't see any reason to assume that Thor once he started to tap into the Power Gem was significantly stronger than before it in his Blood and Thunder state.
What are you talking about? Have you seen Thor's previous encounters with Thanos? Him trading blows with Thanos evenly or rocking him with his attacks is something Masterson has done before. Even in that issue, it clearly stated that Thor would give Thanos a good fight any other day. The Power Gem simply gave him a slight edge apparently.
Originally posted by jebadaya13A lot of things could work against Thanos but they simply don't. Until he shows himself to be above top tier to the point of Odin level I just don't see him beating Thanos at all.
you said that he can manipulate mulecules and he cant be destroyed so if thats the case the same thing will work against thanos as well
Originally posted by h1a8Sentry is powerful yes but to suggest he can easily break free from forceblock is speculative at best with nothing to support it.
Thanos doesn't have complete control but only control. Thanos can be killed and koed. MM if anything should be looked at as having complete control, but Sentry pawned him. And by the way MM>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ThanosA force block won't do anything to Sentry who will just bust out in a second or two.
Originally posted by h1a8You continue to spout ignorance when we know you didn't read the issues in question. Why do you do this to yourself?
PG Thor wasn't proven to be much stronger than Normal Thor.
My take is that he was only wearing it as jewerly.Terrax Sentry seems powerful enough to casually bust out of a force block. Yet MM Sentry should be above him.
Originally posted by jebadaya13The ability to destroy top tiers easily for one. Shields and forceblock. I already told you. Pay attention.
what options and what power level? i want examples and proof dirty little hypocrite and i want them now b1tch, thanos got a little control over molecules that doesnt come even close to the control MM had and he was destroyed and it doesnt matter how much power thanos got because he will get turn apart by sentry with the mulacule rape
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusExcept Thor was using the power gem effectively in battle and was tapping into it to break free in s short amount of time. Thor was a lot more powerful than at his normal levels and unkoable yet Thanos beat him when classic Strange was at odds in how to deal with him.
We should assume that Power Gem Thor is stronger than normal Thor, but I doubt the difference would be all that large. Automatically having the Power Gem doesn't automatically mean tapping into it's power; at least to any great degree does it?Void Sentry > Power Gem Thor as seen in Blood and Thunder
At least in my opinion.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusPip was also dead wrong when he thought Thanos was in trouble. Thanos fooled around with a more powerful unkoable Thor. He ended the fight when he wanted to.
^Yes he did.That's because the Sentry is more powerful than Thor with the Power Gem.
Prove to me his a lot stronger.
He already wrecked the Infinity Watch previously. The team he fought when he had the Power Gem simply had an addition of Silver Surfer, Adam Warlock and Dr. Strange. He already showed us that he was way beyond the first two previously. He treated Adam Warlock and Norrin as annoyances to the point there attacks were useless and they had to flee. Adding the two to a team he was already owning wouldn't really do much. Adam Warlock didn't even participate and all Norrin did was keep his distance and unleashing energy attacks (Something that was futile before the Power Gem instance.). And in the last fight against the Infinity Watch the first time we saw him tap into the Power Gem was to defeat Dr. Strange and Adam Warlock by reflecting their attack. Before that, he didn't do anything that he wouldn't have been capable of doing without the Power Gem looking back at the rest of Blood and Thunder.
So yea, I don't see any reason to assume that Thor once he started to tap into the Power Gem was significantly stronger than before it in his Blood and Thunder state.
What are you talking about? Have you seen Thor's previous encounters with Thanos? Him trading blows with Thanos evenly or rocking him with his attacks is something Masterson has done before. Even in that issue, it clearly stated that Thor would give Thanos a good fight any other day. The Power Gem simply gave him a slight edge apparently.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Except Thor was using the power gem effectively in battle and was tapping into it to break free in s short amount of time. Thor was a lot more powerful than at his normal levels and unkoable yet Thanos beat him when classic Strange was at odds in how to deal with him.Pip was also dead wrong when he thought Thanos was in trouble. Thanos fooled around with a more powerful unkoable Thor. He ended the fight when he wanted to.
He used the Power Gem once in battle, against Adam Warlock and Strange. After that, he started tapping into it further when inside the force block. He would have broken out of it in an hour or so.
How was he a lot more powerful? The Power Gem means you can't be knocked out? Really? I'm pretty sure Drax has been put down at least temporarily while in possession of it. The extent of Dr. Strange's attack was to combine a mystic blast along with a Karma blast. Not very smart. Especially since Adam Warlock's attacks were previously useless as a result of Thor's immortal nature. Brucy could have made it clear that it was a bad plan.
It was Pip that made Thanos seem so badass during the fight. Commenting on his durability and raw power and how he was above everybody else. He was like a Thanos cheerleader. Heck it was Pip who solidified that Thor was using the Power Gem in that fight. Yea with the force block. I never said he didn't win.
I gotta go because my laptop is about to die. I'll log in later.
Edit: I quickly re-read the fight, and the only time Pip thought Thanos was in trouble was when he said Thor started pounding on him like a nail. He realized though that Thanos wasn't out of it. As a matter of fact, he praised how badass and scary he was. Even said he enjoyed it. Pip clearly had Thanos in high regards. Even stated that if Thanos was defeated, the rest of them would stand no chance.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
How can you say Void Sentry greater than PG Thor? I'm also unclear how you can say.. that PG Thor was "a little" stronger... Come on man.. He was A LOT stronger. He was shown wrecking a team he's never even come close to doing before. With ease mind you. It shows him standing up to Thanos like he's never stood up to him before and going toe 2 toe. He was obviously more powerful and not a little.
Wrecking people in itself has nothing to do with strength. It is HOW someone wrecks someone that proves strength. PG Thor showed nothing that a normal yet relentless Thor couldn't do. Normal and relentless unholding back Thor could bash anyone one of those characters with his hammer the same provided he get the same hits in.
Also Thanos was more h2h with Thor. In other encounters Thanos use more blasts.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusIt depends if you are tapping into it or not. Thor was unable to best Drax when he was tapping into it and was even warned to cease and desist these pointless actions by Moondragon as it was a complete waste of time. Thor managed to break free from the goddess' control due to combat and the fact he wasn't going to listen to Moondragon.
He used the Power Gem once in battle, against Adam Warlock and Strange. After that, he started tapping into it further when inside the force block. He would have broken out of it in an hour or so.How was he a lot more powerful? The Power Gem means you can't be knocked out? Really? I'm pretty sure Drax has been put down at least temporarily while in possession of it. The extent of Dr. Strange's attack was to combine a mystic blast along with a Karma blast. Not very smart. Especially since Adam Warlock's attacks were previously useless as a result of Thor's immortal nature. Brucy could have made it clear that it was a bad plan.
It was Pip that made Thanos seem so badass during the fight. Commenting on his durability and raw power and how he was above everybody else. He was like a Thanos cheerleader. Heck it was Pip who solidified that Thor was using the Power Gem in that fight. Yea with the force block. I never said he didn't win.
I gotta go because my laptop is about to die. I'll log in later.
Edit: I quickly re-read the fight, and the only time Pip thought Thanos was in trouble was when he said Thor started pounding on him like a nail. He realized though that Thanos wasn't out of it. As a matter of fact, he praised how badass and scary he was. Even said he enjoyed it. Pip clearly had Thanos in high regards. Even stated that if Thanos was defeated, the rest of them would stand no chance.
The team was getting their asses handed to them by Thor because he's a force on his own for one and secondly he was using the power gem to make himself that much more formidable.
Yes, he realized how badass he was when his statement was off that he was in trouble when Thanos smiled. Thanos got a kick out of it and only got a bloody nose.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It depends if you are tapping into it or not. Thor was unable to best Drax when he was tapping into it and was even warned to cease and desist these pointless actions by Moondragon as it was a complete waste of time. Thor managed to break free from the goddess' control due to combat and the fact he wasn't going to listen to Moondragon.The team was getting their asses handed to them by Thor because he's a force on his own for one and secondly he was using the power gem to make himself that much more formidable.
Yes, he realized how badass he was when his statement was off that he was in trouble when Thanos smiled. Thanos got a kick out of it and only got a bloody nose.
Actually if you read Blood and Thunder all the characters were fighting stupidly against Thor and thus makes the fights invalid for evidence.
Also, it is not who you beat but how u beat them that proves something.
The way Thor won showed no extra strength over his normal self. He just connected more.