Thanos vs. Thor, Brb and Herc (h2h only)

going by the OP Thanos wins a solid 9/10 No hammers for team and Thanos gets to amp he a huge disadvatage for the team plus no weapons too.

Yes Quan the team does gets 1 win how you say easily.

Hercules leads the attack with rapid fire kicks to the balls while BRB stuns Thanos with a atomic wedgie, followed by Thor going in for the combo to ko nipple crippler.

Don't deny thie one Quan 😛

Anyway yes Thaos stomps hard here

Originally posted by quanchi112
False. Thor with the power gem only bloodied his nose. Thanos stomps any of these guys one on one and systematically destroys them in this thread.

That was PIS, if the power gem is anything like it's hyped up to be. And Thor would give Thanos a hard battle one-on-one, especially if Thanos has to go it h2h. Sure Thanos wins those battles but Thor makes him work for it while it lasts, add two other guys in Thor's league and this can only go for the team.

This isn't comics where a pimp hand, or even a force block is conveniently in place to allow Thanos to escape, here the fight has a definitive end and Thanos would be hard pressed to get a majority on two of these guys h2h let alone 3.

Originally posted by Allankles
That was PIS, if the power gem is anything like it's hyped up to be.

Originally posted by Allankles
And Thor would give Thanos a hard battle one-on-one, especially if Thanos has to go it h2h.

Originally posted by Enyalus

Except Drax, Champion, Thundra and Thor has proven that its not PIS the way its portrayed. Thor was, afterall, stomping everyone else.[/B]

I'm talking about Thor v Thanos. Thor was supposed to have been powered up, in fact he was hyped up way more than Drax or Champion were when they had the PG.

Also the fact he beat those guys up and couldn't definitively defeat Thanos before he was force blocked is why it's PIS.

It's called the "Worf Effect" feed the guy relatively tough but expendable guys like Surfer to hype up the characters strength. In this case Surfer is Worf, like Worf he has an impressive rep.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Except he hasn't before, and it's not like Thanos is suddenly at a disadvantage going H2H. It's how he usually fights, afterall. Thor is the one who loses his hammer, his matter and energy manipulation abilities, his antiforce blasts, etc... [/B]

But Thanos is limited here to his two hands and feet only, he has 6 hands and six feet to contend with. With his powers he can easily put up defensive shields. Here he'll be getting mobbed.

Originally posted by Allankles
I'm talking about Thor v Thanos. Thor was supposed to have been powered up, in fact he was hyped up way more than Drax or Champion were when they had the PG.

Also the fact he beat those guys up and couldn't definitively defeat Thanos before he was force blocked is why it's PIS.

It's called the "Worf Effect" feed the guy relatively tough but expendable guys like Surfer to hype up the characters strength. In this case Surfer is Worf, like Worf he has an impressive rep.

Originally posted by Allankles
But Thanos is limited here to his two hands and feet only, he has 6 hands and six feet to contend with. With his powers he can easily put up defensively shields. Here he'll be getting mobbed.

There's no way Thanos loses here. If BRB and Thor had their hammers, that could definitely be the case. In this scenario, no...

Thanos has handled strongmen coming at him all at once in Infinity War I think - Thing, Hulk, Herc, Strong Guy, Masterson Thor (I think)

Originally posted by Enyalus

Thor took out not only Surfer, but also BRB and the entire Infinity Watch, including Drax and Warlock. Easily. Thanos stopped him. It's not PIS, as Thor was clearly portrayed being as powerful as he should have been. If Thor had jobbed to Thanos or looked somehow weaker, okay. But he didn't. Thanos is just that good. 😬[/B]

I think he did job to Thanos, the plot allowed for a plot device (force block) which allowed Thanos to retreat. Also the contest itself wasn't particularly long before said force block. It's not like Thor was bashing him relentlessly.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Will it even matter if I post the scans from Infinity War? Because like I said, he's done this before. He's taken on Masterson Thor, Herc, Hulk and Thing at the same time, without resorting to blasts, and didn't have a scratch on him when the fight was brought to an end.

There's no way Thanos loses here. If BRB and Thor had their hammers, that could definitely be the case. In this scenario, no... [/B]

I've actually seen that fight. And I agree that Thor and BRB blows aren't going to pack the same punch without their hammers but, in place of two hammers they have six fists.

Also I don't buy anything Stalin writes for Thanos, in a way he is worse than Loeb. With Loeb he just makes his heroes more powerful than the opposition, with Starlin he makes the opposition as dumb as a bucket of rocks.

I think those characters perform better in a forum battle, simply because there's no plot preventing them from just mobbing Thanos at the same time.

In the comic you have Herc and a weaker Hulk walking up to Thanos and getting their heads driven into each other, that kind of silly scenario isn't going to take place in an environment like this.

Originally posted by Allankles
I think he did job to Thanos, the plot allowed for a plot device (force block) which allowed Thanos to retreat. Also the contest itself wasn't particularly long before said force block. It's not like Thor was bashing him relentlessly.

Originally posted by Allankles
I've actually seen that fight. And I agree that Thor and BRB blows aren't going to pack the same punch without their hammers but, in place of two hammers they have six fists.

Originally posted by Allankles
Also I don't buy anything Stalin writes for Thanos, in a way he is worse than Loeb. With Loeb he just makes his heroes more powerful than the opposition, with Starlin he makes the opposition as dumb as a bucket of rocks.

I think those characters perform better in a forum battle, simply because there's no plot preventing them from just mobbing Thanos at the same time.

In the comic you have Herc and a weaker Hulk walking up to Thanos and getting their heads driven into each other, that kind of silly scenario isn't going to take place in an environment like this.

Also the funny thing about Starlin is he has these characters being drawn to be much smaller than Thanos allowing him to perform pimp hands from distance and knocking people's heads together because he's so much bigger than them.

Even though Hulk is supposed to tower over Thanos he looks smaller in IW. Herc is only a couple of inches shorter but you wouldn't know it. Thor is the same height as Thanos and you wouldn't know it. I want every comic feat to be convincing but group fights have to be more sensible than that.

It's a clear case of the Hand Ninja syndrome. I think it's unfair to measure guys by those type of fights (the victims that is). I remember Batman after having Supes powers for a short time embarrassing the league, to me that was PIS too and was depicted unimpressively and the league had to appear dumb for Bats to pull it off.

When did Thanos take on Hercules, Hulk, Thing and Masterson at the same time? If you're talking about Quasar #38, all we saw was Thanos attempting to knock Hulk's and Thing's heads together while Quasar stopped it. Hercules was just standing there while Masterson was just floating there. Hardly evidence of anything.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When did Thanos take on Hercules, Hulk, Thing and Masterson at the same time? If you're talking about Quasar #38, all we saw was Thanos attempting to knock Hulk's and Thing's heads together while Quasar stopped it. Hercules was just standing there while Masterson was just floating there. Hardly evidence of anything.

When the fight is called, Thanos is still standing, with only Drax and Warlock with him. Did Thanos magically avoid not fighting the four heroes who were surrounding him?

Originally posted by Enyalus

Ignore the Force Block for now. Prior to it, Thanos was still winning the battle if you go by points. He put Thor on the ground twice as often as Thor put him on the ground. Barring the Force Block and BFR, Thanos couldn't have won. We saw that. The Power Gem meant Thor had pretty much straight invulnerability. Regardless of that, though, we still saw that Thanos was more powerful than him, landed harder blows, etc. Even amped by the Power Gem as Thor was. There's no PIS there.[/B]

Which just proves my point about the Worf Effect. Champion (who btw was far less hyped than Thor) was overwhelmingly too powerful for Thanos to even risk fighting him without his shields. And Champion didn't trully know what he had with the PG. It's the same issue you have with people debating Odin/Thanos. Everyone talks about Odin the galaxy buster and how he used Gugnir etc it's all just bs. I don't think galaxy busting is anywhere close to his average, and while Odin is more powerful its not some super duper durability feat, heroes go through this type of scenarios all the time, but it seems to get hyped for Thanos.

Thanos got protected by the writer both times. I can accept he has great durability but I'm not even going to call it planet busting durability, its all ambiguous. I honestly think that without PIS these 3 guys can beat him down with his fists, which is not a knock on his durability it's just that without this glass half-empty feats I don't see him lasting through a sustained fight with guys who are in the same ball park in terms of superstrength

Originally posted by Enyalus

Uh-huh...three times as many fists mean very little when Thanos' durability is so much ridiculously higher than theirs, and Thanos' own fists while amping hit with the force of Mjolnir.[/B]

I don't think his durability is ridiculously higher. What makes you think that? The Odin fight? The Thor fight is inconclusive. This is the same guy who dared not take PG Champion's planet shaking and planet busting attacks flush.

Originally posted by Enyalus
The fight you're talking about (and I am), was written by Mark Gruenwald...who apparently was actually pissed with Starlin at the time of the crossover. So there's no reason for Gruenwald portraying Starlin's character as being uber unless he really felt that way. [/B]

So it was a Quarsar tie in Starlin's IW crossover? Not much different tbh, it was still essentially Starlin's Thanos who had the envious ability of making everyone around him dull witted.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I don't really think you're looking at this the right way. Maybe Thanos is about twice Thor's strength (I'd say that is accurate, not 50% more), that's plenty when his durability is so much higher than anyone on this team. And you've made use of this fact before, that during Infinity War Masterson Thor's "blow" matched Thanos' own. But keep in mind that that was Thanos' fist, and it matched Masterson's Mjolnir smash equally. 😬 I don't have to emphasize how strong those Mjolnir hits are. If Thanos can do that with his fists, how long does it take before the team goes down? Also in IW, he takes on Thing, Hulk, Thor and Hercules simultaneously and is shown looking better than at least Thing and Hulk combined. And only he, Drax with the Power Gem, and Warlock are left standing at the end of the battle. We know why Drax was left - the Power Gem. Warlock was up in the air fighting Quasar one-on-one most of the time. Thanos had to take on the bulk of the heroes heavy-hitters and didn't look any worse for wear. Strong Guy even comments on Thanos' incredible durability.

Thanos is between 25% to 50% stronger than Thor in my opinion. Thor’s hits are about as strong or nearly as strong as his hits with Mjolnir depending on how much power he puts behind them and depending on the writer. The gap between the two isn’t anything noticeable in my opinion unless we use showings like when Thor was child in Son of Asgard.

When did he do that? Hercules and Thor were simply watching while, the Thing and the Hulk’s heads almost get knocked together. I never saw Thor engage him at that moment. As a matter of fact, we saw Thor stalemate Thanos in that instance.

Drax, Thanos and Warlock were the only ones left standing? What are you talking about?

We never saw him do anything besides stalemate Thor in Infinity War #4 as I recall. No Strong Guy commented on the durability of Thanos, Adam Warlock, and Drax.

Originally posted by Enyalus
So again, I don't understand how you can seriously think these three put him down, solely going H2H.

Eventually they'll wear him down. Like I said, his durability is what will allow him to stay in the battle for the long run.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Same issue. I was thinking of this page:

That top panel looks to me like Thanos is slapping Thor back, but there's not any connection artwork so I won't press the point.

Not really a pimp slap or really anything to be honest. I always thought that one of two things happened, 1) the blow didn’t connect or 2) the blow didn’t hurt Thor at all.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Quasar is thinking it, they're surrounding Thanos, and Masterson Thor is behind Thanos with Mjolnir winding up.

When the fight is called, Thanos is still standing, with only Drax and Warlock with him. Did Thanos magically avoid not fighting the four heroes who were surrounding him?

Quasar said it seemed those four wanted first crack at Thanos.

So we assume Thanos fought all four at the same time, when we specifically see them do the opposite?

Masterson even expresses doubt about attacking the Infinity Watch and Thanos when the 3 jump into action, as Captain America specifically told them only to surround Thanos and the others, and not to engage them. Which makes absolute sense, as we even see those three attack the dome that Quasar put up as they were eager to fight while Masterson simply floated there. I don't think I saw him engage in any fighting even once in that issue.

Originally posted by Allankles
Which just proves my point about the Worf Effect. Champion (who btw was far less hyped than Thor) was overwhelmingly too powerful for Thanos to even risk fighting him without his shields. And Champion didn't trully know what he had with the PG.

Originally posted by Allankles
Thanos got protected by the writer both times. I can accept he has great durability but I'm not even going to call it planet busting durability, its all ambiguous.

Originally posted by Allankles
I don't think his durability is ridiculously higher. What makes you think that. The Odin fight?

In fact, in that IW fight, Strong Guy comments on Thanos' amazing durability when he's one of the only ones left standing.

Originally posted by Allankles
So it was a Quarsar tie in the Starlin's IW crossover? Not much different tbh, it was still essentially Starlin's Thanos who had the envious ability of making everyone around him dull witted.

EDIT: Not that summer. That was Infinity Gauntlet. Not a big deal.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thanos is between 25% to 50% stronger than Thor in my opinion. Thor’s hits are about as strong or nearly as strong as his hits with Mjolnir depending on how much power he puts behind them and depending on the writer. The gap between the two isn’t anything noticeable in my opinion unless we use showings like when Thor was child in Son of Asgard.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When did he do that? Hercules and Thor were simply watching while, the Thing and the Hulk’s heads almost get knocked together. I never saw Thor engage him at that moment. As a matter of fact, we saw Thor stalemate Thanos in that instance.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Drax, Thanos and Warlock were the only ones left standing? What are you talking about?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No Strong Guy commented on the durability of Thanos, Adam Warlock, and Drax.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Eventually they'll wear him down. Like I said, his durability is what will allow him to stay in the battle for the long run.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Not really a pimp slap or really anything to be honest. I always thought that one of two things happened, 1) the blow didn’t connect or 2) the blow didn’t hurt Thor at all.

Originally posted by Enyalus

Aw, dude, come on. How is anyone supposed to seriously debate when someone else pulls the PIS card out. Thanos did fight Champion without his shielding. Initially. Was outfighting him and again put Champion on his ass more than Champion did to Thanos (0 times). It was part of Thanos' strategy to get the gem from Champion. To frustrate him with his shielding until he blew the planet up. Again, you can't tell me it was too risky to fight Champion without shields when that is in fact what Thanos did. Only when it served his strategic purpose did Thanos rely on his shields. Why? You can't just TAKE the gem off of someone. It only behaved that way for Drax, and only because he swallowed it. And someone with true invulnerability isn't going to be KO'd. He needed to bargain for it. He tricked Champion into blowing up the planet. His shields were needed in order for the trick to work. That's all. It was a good plot by Thanos. It had nothing to do with Thanos' durability or 'weakness'.[/B]

You're talking like I didn't read the fight. Champion was charging at Thanos from one end of the battlefiled to the next, all Thanos had to do was sidestep and avoid his blows. In fact Thanos never once took a hit, and it was clearly suggested that Thanos would have been overwhelmed in any kind of slugfest. I'm not saying Thanos was especially vulnerable simply that he wasn't going to win a slugfest with Champion.

Let's not forget that Champion was in fact portrayed as a dumb brute.

Originally posted by Enyalus

Which isn't really amusing, it's sad. Because in Thanos' very first appearance he survives a planet blowing up, being at ground zero. Without a scratch.[/B]

Dude I was talking about PG Thor's attacks, maybe I should have been clearer. I wouldn't even begin to call his attacks planet busting, there's a whole lot of ambiguity surrounding them. Maybe I should have been clear, I sometimes get lazy.

Originally posted by Enyalus

The Odin fight and tanking Odin's blast that one-shot SS without flinching. The Tyrant fight. The fight against the Avengers where he took Thor's Mjolnir blow without flinching. Battling and surviving Walker, a death god backed by the souls of an entire galaxy. Tanking SS's blasts without flinching. Tanking Classic Drax's blasts without flinching. Tanking Afro Magus' blast without flinching (and he was amped by the power of a thousand worlds). His entire career. Its his basic durability. I'm not going by just one or two feats. I'm going by his norm.[/B]

I don't consider the Tyrant fight a durability showing I think it was more a display of how Thanos is more powerful than the heroes who Tyrant beat. Do you have the Walker scans?

Afro Magus was inconclusive he took two blows from Magus, again that's kind of ambiguous. I could see a lot of top tiers taking those shots.

Originally posted by Enyalus
In fact, in that IW fight, Strong Guy comments on Thanos' amazing durability when he's one of the only ones left standing.[/B]

I personally believe he's more durable than most top tiers overall, but I just don't think it's as big a difference as you. There are some top tiers who can replicate his durability feats imo.

Originally posted by Enyalus
It was written by Gruenwald, who loves Quasar. In a Quasar book. Gruenwald who had an issue with Starlin at the time because Starlin's event got the main billing over Gruenwald's event for that summer. There's no PIS here. You're reaching way too hard in order to not give Thanos his due. [/B]

I think most of those types of group fights have an element of PIS with a few exceptions. That fight was very controlled so I don't see how it represents how a no-holds barred forum fight would transpire. I think that is reasonable.

Originally posted by Allankles
You're talking like I didn't read the fight. Champion was charging at Thanos from one end of the battlefiled to the next, all Thanos had to do was sidestep and avoid his blows. In fact Thanos never once took a hit, and it was clearly suggested that Thanos would have been overwhelmed in any kind of slugfest. I'm not saying Thanos was especially vulnerable simply that he wasn't going to win a slugfest with Champion.

But you're right, Thanos wasn't going to win a slugfest with Champion. No one is going to beat any Power Gem user in a slugfest. Why is that such a problem?

Originally posted by Allankles
Dude I was talking about PG Thor's attacks, maybe I should have been clearer. I wouldn't even begin to call his attacks planet busting, there's a whole lot of ambiguity surrounding them. Maybe I should have been clear, I sometimes get lazy.

Originally posted by Allankles
I don't consider the Tyrant fight a durability showing I think it was more a display of how Thanos is more powerful than the heroes who Tyrant beat.

Originally posted by Allankles
Do you have the Walker scans?

Originally posted by Allankles
Afro Magus was inconclusive he took two blows from Magus, again that's kind of ambiguous.

Originally posted by Allankles
I think most of those types of group fights have an element of PIS with a few exceptions. That fight was very controlled so I don't see how it represents how a no-holds barred forum fight would transpire. I think that is reasonable.

Thanos took a gas gaint exploding to the face with no shields, with no effect at all.

Originally posted by Enyalus

But you're right, Thanos wasn't going to win a slugfest with Champion. No one is going to beat any Power Gem user in a slugfest. Why is that such a problem?[/B]

Not a problem, it just explains why I'm not impressed with the PG Thor fight. You want to have your cake and eat it, those kind of feats are rarely ever win-win. It makes Thor's PG status look less impressive, and puts the IWatch as victims of the Worf Effect, either that or there is some element of PIS, especially when Thanos' input is required later in the plot.

Originally posted by Enyalus

That's strange, because you seemed to be questioning whether Thanos' typical durability was up to planet-destroying level. And it is.[/B]

I was talking about durability in relation to Thor's blows, I should have made it clearer. Even without specific feats I'd assume that he could take being caught in a planet explosion.

Originally posted by Enyalus

He took attacks that one-shot other high heralds. Clearly showing that his durability is above high herald level.[/B]

I agree in part but I also think his defensive powers might have played their part. Thanos is a safety first type of guy imo.

Originally posted by Enyalus

Will it even make a difference if I dig them out?[/B]

If it is as impressive as you're claiming then yeah. A feat that a top tier couldn't possibly replicate? Definitely.

Originally posted by Enyalus

Woah, are you talking about the Magus with the IG when Thanos takes two blows? Because I wasn't.[/B]

Ok, so different fight, can't comment on it then.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I don't even know how I'm supposed to go about addressing this, other than to say that repeatedly Thanos has shown to have durability far above a typical high herald. Ergo, a high-herald and two mids aren't going to do enough damage with their fists to put Thanos down... [/B]

I just don't consider those group fights valid, when the plot is clearly downplaying their strengths. Most writers will pretty much turn the group into glorified hand ninjas, very rarely do you get a convincing one man army type feat against strong opposition.

It's always about one shotting heroes and such.