Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
It's not like it was the only instance that an 'omnipotent' being tried to usurp The Presence.Carnivore tried. So did GEB.
But none of them could.
As I see it, The Presence gave them a portion of his power just to see how powerful his creations can become.
Wally the God Boy could've killed Carnivore himself. But instead, he let his creations finish the job themselves.
Protege also wanted to usurp TOAA.
Like I thought so. If something like that happens, it's because The Presence likes to play. The Presence gives the power to all, to some more, to some less. He empowers everything, everyone. As He can give, He can take it away. Whenever He wishes, He can make a normal human more powerful than Swamp Thing ever was.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Like I thought so. If something like that happens, it's because The Presence likes to play. The Presence gives the power to all, to some more, to some less. He empowers everything, everyone. As He can give, He can take it away. Whenever He wishes, He can make a normal human more powerful than Swamp Thing ever was.
He seems to be based on the Biblical Judeo-Christian/Abrahamic God.
God ST >= PR MM, imo.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Then you really don't know anything and you are wrong.
Originally posted by Xplosive
The Presence is the creator. He empowers everything, everyone in DC.
Carnivore nor Swamp Thing didn't came to existence just like that. Them as anyone else depends on God, while God doesn't depend on anyone. That is His unimaginable power.
Not to mention other entities that have proven The Presence wasn't all-powerful, etc, etc, such as Synnar and Great Evil Beast.
Originally posted by EnyalusBrilliant rebuttal.
I don't need a lesson in theology. Nor a lesson in DC cosmogony. The Source empowers nearly everything in the DCU. The Presence, if the Lucifer series taught anything, has very little to do with his Creation. And with the entrance of the Primal Monitor into the DCU cosmological system, The Presence might not even be Supreme at all.
Not to mention other entities that have proven The Presence wasn't all-powerful, etc, etc, such as Synnar and Great Evil Beast. [/B]
I thought great evil beast was an aspect of it?
If there is anything outside the jurisdiction of the presence or if there is anything that it cant do, then its not truly omnipotent and it sucks. If that's the case god ST being able to usurp its power is not all that impressive.
MM probably takes this.
Originally posted by 753
I thought great evil beast was an aspect of it?If there is anything outside the jurisdiction of the presence or if there is anything that it cant do, then its not truly omnipotent and it sucks. If that's the case god ST being able to usurp its power is not all that impressive.
MM probably takes this.
GEB wasn't an aspect of the Presence, it was the embodiment of the complete nothingness that existed before creation, so was the exact opposite to the light of The Presence.
Originally posted by 753
isnt that nekron's thing? cant keep up with dc cosmology
Nekron is death embodied. Or something.
At this point, I generally consider the cosmology showed in Lucifer/Swamp Thing/Hellblazer/Sandman to be seperate from the main DCU, as it doesn't really fit with the recent cosmology that has appeared in the DCU.
Lucifer's cosmology shouldn't even be considered when thinking of DCU. They are two very different things. Sure there's the similarities of Judeo-Christian theme behind it all but its not the same. Especially considering in Lucifer's world Yahweh permanently left creation and let Ellaine Belloc take over as God.
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Nekron is death embodied. Or something.At this point, I generally consider the cosmology showed in Lucifer/Swamp Thing/Hellblazer/Sandman to be seperate from the main DCU, as it doesn't really fit with the recent cosmology that has appeared in the DCU.
why does he keep complaining existence invaded his turf then?
I have to read blackest night through, it's too bizarre no to
Nekron is not GEB.
Nekron was there was the universe was there. When it was black, vacant, dull, and lifeless. A time where there was actually perfect peace(in his opinion). Then God said, let there be light, and the invader came(a white entity) and life started on earth and BAM!
GEB was there before the universe came to be. Before it was anything, before the Source/PM/Presence wanted to create it there was also GEB. He is the evil/dark part of the Presence. Or the other side of the same coin
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Nekron is not GEB.Nekron was there was the universe was there. When it was black, vacant, dull, and lifeless. A time where there was actually perfect peace(in his opinion). Then God said, let there be light, and the invader came(a white entity) and life started on earth and BAM!
GEB was there before the universe came to be. Before it was anything, before the Source/PM/Presence wanted to create it there was also GEB. He is the evil/dark part of the Presence. Or the other side of the same coin
I wouldn't say the GEB was evil in any way, it was far more like an infant in it's understanding of anything, as all it knew was nothingness, so it couldn't understand 'evil' or anything else it was branded as (shown by the fact it continuouly asks characters about these things)
But yeah, agree with the rest.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Swamp Thing is featured in both Vertigo and DC. Spectre has appeared in both Vertigo and DC. Archangel Michael has shown up in both.It's wishful thinking IMO to think that the two multiverses have separate cosmogonies.
But it's much, much easier to think about it that way.
I mean, Blackest Night alone causes confusion within the main DCU cosmology alone (Life started on Earth? What about the 1st world etc)
And then if you try to include all the other stuff it gets very complicated. Like how does Lucifers multiverse etc fit in with the 52, and the Monitors etc...