Mysteries of Science

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
some one explain the reason of creatures being Gay what is the advantage to it?...

There isn´t and in normal circumstances "gays" would get burned for being witches, hung or shot by religious zealots. Its called survival of the fittest.

But some genetic error has happened and causes tolerance for minorities and political correctness fanaticism to occur. Probably due to insanity caused by mercury poisoning, Mercury is present in light bulbs, tooth fillings and used in tilt switches by terrorists in some bombs. 😱 🤣

Originally posted by One Free Man
I disagree. mutations can be made to splice or slightly alter certain genetic make-up, but they can't add new information.

Originally posted by King Kandy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insertion_(genetics)

I think his point is that the the information being inserted isn't new. It's just an already existing base pair or codon here and there either into the introns or exons on a DNA strand.

i want my monkey man or at least a hover board!!! i dont care if i am 80 yrs old i am getting one even if i have to threaten someone... 😒

question: what are the odds of that happening in the near future?

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i want my monkey man or at least a hover board!!! i dont care if i am 80 yrs old i am getting one even if i have to threaten someone... 😒

question: what are the odds of that happening in the near future?

What? You threatening someone?...High probably. It's what you people do.

Originally posted by jaden101
What? You threatening someone?...High probably. It's what you people do.

my question is not the odds of me threatening someone but, what are the odds of such a scientific feat being accomplished?

also by monkey man i actually meant ape man since he is closer to the human genome.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i want my monkey man or at least a hover board!!! i dont care if i am 80 yrs old i am getting one even if i have to threaten someone... 😒

question: what are the odds of that happening in the near future?

The hoverboard just depends on how much you're willing to shell out to have it built for you. But it's going to be loud and not much fun to ride.

Monkey men exist today, they're just guys in make up. If you want a "genetic combination" of a man and monkey it's never going to happen because that's not really meaningful.

Originally posted by jaden101
I think his point is that the the information being inserted isn't new. It's just an already existing base pair or codon here and there either into the introns or exons on a DNA strand.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The hoverboard just depends on how much you're willing to shell out to have it built for you. But it's going to be loud and not much fun to ride.

Monkey men exist today, they're just guys in make up. If you want a "genetic combination" of a man and monkey it's never going to happen because that's not really meaningful.

it is to me.... 🙁

anyways whether it serves a purpose or not do you guys think it could become possible to create such a hybrid in the near future just by the knowledge that we have or will have in the near future in genetic engineering?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
it's going to be loud and not much fun to ride.

Originally posted by jaden101
I think his point is that the the information being inserted isn't new. It's just an already existing base pair or codon here and there either into the introns or exons on a DNA strand.

ok i think theres a lot of ignorance in these boards about what counts as INFORMATION at the genetic level.

the dna is made of only FOUR bases{i.e. four molecular monomers}. however, the reason we call it a CODE is because it the protien's produced from transcription of these bases are produced based on their PATTERNS. that argument is analogous to " well there isnt any INFORMATION "added" to the dvd seein as its only made up of two components. zeros and ones".

the four bases are represented by A T G C.

the second thing to consider is the stop codon. this is a set of three corresponding bases on the mRNA which STOP traslation of the dna code at a certain point so that a finite set of translated code is carried into the cell ribosomes where the base configuration{code} on the mRNA can be used by the tRNA to band together the coded protien from{after all without it all you wud really have is the entire length of the dna being copied and lots of dna being made in the ribosomes instead of parts of the dna which code for certain protiens} the code carried by it.

now consider a part of the dna

atgccga if even one mutation changes the "first g into a c" the entire CODE changes and the thing being coded for also changes. so u have
atcgccg, which is coding for an ENTIRELY different protien altogether, leading to entirely different phenotypes. {and yes this CAN create a new species as the traist can make it possible that the new breed can not sexually create offspring with its parent breed, if u wanna define species that way}, effectively creating a new breed without messing with the chromosomal number, the so called macro evolution.

furthermore, messing with the stop codon can also produce different protiens.

furthermore, the teleomere can me damaged or mutated to directly add molecules on to the initial code as well as forcing more than one base in between the dna where initially only one was present, changing the enitre alleale structure.

i guess u wud have to read sum books on it to really understand, but the creationist definitions of "information" are false, as they fail to take into account "coding" or translation.

Well, I suppose the point that there might be an absolute limit is true. (maybe? not sure, have to think about it...well, probably)

But to give an example the information a computer has, is even more limited, but through the clever combination of it all these things we see here are possible. I mean, really it is a non-argument, new obviously refers to information that hasn't previously been there not to information that couldn't previously be there.

It's like saying a new song isn't new because all the notes existed before and the potential was always there.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
ok i think theres a lot of ignorance in these boards about what counts as INFORMATION at the genetic level.

the dna is made of only FOUR bases{i.e. four molecular monomers}. however, the reason we call it a CODE is because it the protien's produced from transcription of these bases are produced based on their PATTERNS. that argument is analogous to " well there isnt any INFORMATION "added" to the dvd seein as its only made up of two components. zeros and ones".

the four bases are represented by A T G C.

the second thing to consider is the stop codon. this is a set of three corresponding bases on the mRNA which STOP traslation of the dna code at a certain point so that a finite set of translated code is carried into the cell ribosomes where the base configuration{code} on the mRNA can be used by the tRNA to band together the coded protien from{after all without it all you wud really have is the entire length of the dna being copied and lots of dna being made in the ribosomes instead of parts of the dna which code for certain protiens} the code carried by it.

now consider a part of the dna

atgccga if even one mutation changes the "first g into a c" the entire CODE changes and the thing being coded for also changes. so u have
atcgccg, which is coding for an ENTIRELY different protien altogether, leading to entirely different phenotypes. {and yes this CAN create a new species as the traist can make it possible that the new breed can not sexually create offspring with its parent breed, if u wanna define species that way}, effectively creating a new breed without messing with the chromosomal number, the so called macro evolution.

furthermore, messing with the stop codon can also produce different protiens.

furthermore, the teleomere can me damaged or mutated to directly add molecules on to the initial code as well as forcing more than one base in between the dna where initially only one was present, changing the enitre alleale structure.

i guess u wud have to read sum books on it to really understand, but the creationist definitions of "information" are false, as they fail to take into account "coding" or translation.

I have textbooks I need to read right now lol

Originally posted by leonheartmm
...{and yes this CAN create a new species as the traist can make it possible that the new breed can not sexually create offspring with its parent breed, if u wanna define species that way}...

Uhhh... 😮

Yeah, that'd be me. 😄

Originally posted by Mindset
Mutated retards.

YouTube video

Originally posted by King Kandy
The number of possible single base pairs is very, very limited. Inserting one where it doesn't belong can cause coding for entirely different traits than the codon it originated from.

In theory it could but it would mean that all the several different mechanisms of DNA repair would have to fail in order for the incorrect proteins to be permanently coded for.

DNA repair mechanisms fix about a million of these mutations every day in the average human.

Originally posted by One Free Man
please tell me again or post a link to where you told me before. I apologize for ignoring you, you are still on my ignore list so that I can only read your uneducated trolling when I feel like it.

Is that so? It sounds like you are the troll here. You are now on my ignore list. BTW I never read anything that someone who is on my ignore list has to say.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Is that so? It sounds like you are the troll here. You are now on my ignore list. BTW I never read anything that someone who is on my ignore list has to say.

You should craft yourself a badge saying that.

Originally posted by jaden101
I think his point is that the the information being inserted isn't new. It's just an already existing base pair or codon here and there either into the introns or exons on a DNA strand.

That's like saying a new book isn't new because it uses the same old 26 charters, a, b, c and so forth.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
ok i think theres a lot of ignorance in these boards about what counts as INFORMATION at the genetic level.

the dna is made of only FOUR bases{i.e. four molecular monomers}. however, the reason we call it a CODE is because it the protien's produced from transcription of these bases are produced based on their PATTERNS. that argument is analogous to " well there isnt any INFORMATION "added" to the dvd seein as its only made up of two components. zeros and ones".

the four bases are represented by A T G C.

the second thing to consider is the stop codon. this is a set of three corresponding bases on the mRNA which STOP traslation of the dna code at a certain point so that a finite set of translated code is carried into the cell ribosomes where the base configuration{code} on the mRNA can be used by the tRNA to band together the coded protien from{after all without it all you wud really have is the entire length of the dna being copied and lots of dna being made in the ribosomes instead of parts of the dna which code for certain protiens} the code carried by it.

now consider a part of the dna

atgccga if even one mutation changes the "first g into a c" the entire CODE changes and the thing being coded for also changes. so u have
atcgccg, which is coding for an ENTIRELY different protien altogether, leading to entirely different phenotypes. {and yes this CAN create a new species as the traist can make it possible that the new breed can not sexually create offspring with its parent breed, if u wanna define species that way}, effectively creating a new breed without messing with the chromosomal number, the so called macro evolution.

furthermore, messing with the stop codon can also produce different protiens.

furthermore, the teleomere can me damaged or mutated to directly add molecules on to the initial code as well as forcing more than one base in between the dna where initially only one was present, changing the enitre alleale structure.

i guess u wud have to read sum books on it to really understand, but the creationist definitions of "information" are false, as they fail to take into account "coding" or translation.

Generally insertions or deletions are repaired and don't result in any kind of problematic mutation. There's also the fact that the mutation would have to occur to the gamete which went on to fertilize the egg cell. That gamete would have to have had no form of repair done to the DNA strand plus it would then have to produce a viable embryo for it to produce a "new species". All of which is a virtually impossible sequence of events to occur.

Regardless, DNA insertions and deletions are not the main problem with regards to replication of DNA.

While genetics was never my strong point in my forensics masters I know a bit or 2 about it. Although most of that was analysis of STR's and PCR.

I've forgotten a fair bit of the generally useless basics of DNA replication too though.