Originally posted by Battlehammercage has common sense...and sometimes that's what you need
true that, cage is an idiot as well. It like wtf why the hell are you parking orders when everyone is either way smarter then you or combat veterain with decades of leading special opt teams ect.
logan ain't a leader
peter ain't a leader
ms.marvel doesn't have clout to lead new avengers
luke cage is the one they all trust in.
Originally posted by Battlehammerum...he doesn't even talk hood. and that's not stereotype, what, you expect him to talk like a professor?
hood rat.........it pretty obvious.......I mean there a reason he talks that way........if he was white ther eno way in hell they have he say that nonsenses and act the way he does........
he just talks like a tough guy.
Originally posted by redhotrashspiderman is less durable, wolverine is weaker, IF is weaker and less durable, dr.strange wasn't really on the team
He was on a team with Spider-Man, Wolverine, Iron Fist, and Dr. Strange....
As for "What stereotype", Cage very much comes across as a black character being written by writers who have no idea how a black character should speak/act.
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I've been reading New Avengers (its my fav comic team), and I never thought of luke Cage as some black hoodlum. I think they make him realistic and subtle.
Originally posted by Starscream M
cage has common sense...and sometimes that's what you needlogan ain't a leader
peter ain't a leader
ms.marvel doesn't have clout to lead new avengers
luke cage is the one they all trust in.
Logan not a leader......dude he currently leads a team.........you might want to actually read some comics........
peter a lot smarter then cage is and just as good of a leader.......
clout? wtf and ms marvel has lead teams before..........and is way more fit then cage is........
They don't trust his ass anymore then the rest of them.........hgell cage was the one making are the trouble during the secret invasion and almsot caused the team to turn on eachother.......
Well to be fair, I really shouldnt be arguing that you cant like someone, lol. My bad. I just dont see very many redeeming qualities about the guy. Personally whenever I want to give a good example of a african american character being written well, I point towards old school Spawn. He wasnt overblown, but he did keep his ethnicity and heritage.
Originally posted by Starscream M
um...he doesn't even talk hood. and that's not stereotype, what, you expect him to talk like a professor?he just talks like a tough guy.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Not really....haft the time his idea are garbage.Logan not a leader......dude he currently leads a team.........you might want to actually read some comics........
peter a lot smarter then cage is and just as good of a leader.......
clout? wtf and ms marvel has lead teams before..........and is way more fit then cage is........
They don't trust his ass anymore then the rest of them.........hgell cage was the one making are the trouble during the secret invasion and almsot caused the team to turn on eachother.......
you're an idiot
logan only leads misfits...ala xfactor. he can't lead a diverse group like the new avengers.
peter is not a good leader...he has no confidence to lead.
Ms. Marvel has little clout because she was with mighty avengers and was hunting the new avengers...they weren't trusting her initially.
Cage is loved...when he got the heart transplant by osborn, you saw how many people not just trusted, but LOVED cage.
Originally posted by Starscream M
spiderman is less durable, wolverine is weaker, IF is weaker and less durable, dr.strange wasn't really on the team--
I've been reading New Avengers (its my fav comic team), and I never thought of luke Cage as some black hoodlum. I think they make him realistic and subtle.
BS you read it. Clearly you havent.......there nothing subtle about him at all.........
Originally posted by redhotrashI liked spawn as well. But I think people think you shouldn't write african americans like street characters...well, luke cage came from the streets. so he should sound like someone from that background. unlike t'challa, who is a king. I don't think the fact that luke has street roots makes him any less deep a character though.
Well to be fair, I really shouldnt be arguing that you cant like someone, lol. My bad. I just dont see very many redeeming qualities about the guy. Personally whenever I want to give a good example of a african american character being written well, I point towards old school Spawn. He wasnt overblown, but he did keep his ethnicity and heritage.
Logan has led a LOT of teams if you think about. Granted not for any real length of time, but thats more due to his character walking out/being seperated than anything.
Spidey has led a few himself, though more on a 'strike force' level than as a ongoing team (see Maximum Carnage for example, he has to hold together a lot of combustable elements).
Ms. Marvel admittedly sucks, the best thing to come from her was classic Rogue.
As for people loving Cage.... Even Stiltman had a big turnout at his funereal.
Originally posted by Battlehammerum, someone said before luke is the weakest member of the team...I was responding to that.
what does being less durable or not as storng have anything to do with this.....also IF is way stronger then cage....dam man can you jsut read a comic for **** sakes?BS you read it. Clearly you havent.......there nothing subtle about him at all.........
and yes, I've read EVERY New Avenger issue (including the annuals). I know far more about New Avengers than you do. and they portray luke cage very well in it.
Originally posted by Starscream M
I liked spawn as well. But I think people think you shouldn't write african americans like street characters...well, luke cage came from the streets. so he should sound like someone from that background. unlike t'challa, who is a king. I don't think the fact that luke has street roots makes him any less deep a character though.
As someone who was raised in an African American household, I never got the impression that Cage comes off as a negative stereotype. Granted, Power Man back in the day was something else, but if anything, Cage shows you can have a black man come from the streets and not be an idiot or ignorant beyond belief. As far as his dialogue goes, it seems pretty realistic and consistant to his background, and even then he doesn't come off in a negative light, so I don't see the problem myself.
Originally posted by redhotrashyeah but the thing with spiderman and wolverine is that they don't like to lead. sure spidey will do so if he's in a pinch situation, but he prefers to be a member or solo rather than actually lead a team.
Logan has led a LOT of teams if you think about. Granted not for any real length of time, but thats more due to his character walking out/being seperated than anything.
Spidey has led a few himself, though more on a 'strike force' level than as a ongoing team (see Maximum Carnage for example, he has to hold together a lot of combustable elements).
Ms. Marvel admittedly sucks, the best thing to come from her was classic Rogue.
As for people loving Cage.... Even Stiltman had a big turnout at his funereal.
Logan as well.
they're not natural leaders although they CAN lead.