Originally posted by iceman24567
Whedon can do wonders i love whenever he does Astonishing well almost
I think he extremely overrated and thought astonishing x-men was overrated.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
yea except the fact he ignores long standing character realationships and openly admits he has no idea how to write certain characters (that part I respect that he admitts it).I think he extremely overrated and thought astonishing x-men was overrated.
he wrote emma-scott and peter-kitty perfectly, imo.
Originally posted by BattlehammerI think he did a good job of keeping focus on exactly what and who he knew how to write, and keeping that that he was less sure about in the background.
yea except the fact he ignores long standing character realationships and openly admits he has no idea how to write certain characters (that part I respect that he admitts it).I think he extremely overrated and thought astonishing x-men was overrated.
And, to be honest, it doesn't bother me too much that he ignored or downplayed character relationships, as the relationships that he chose to write were handled damn near perfectly, IMO. I'd rather have something that I enjoy reading over something that is of a lesser quality because it's strict about sticking to previous authors' works.
I understand the other point of view, but I don't endorse it.
Originally posted by -Pr-
he wrote emma-scott and peter-kitty perfectly, imo.
But marvel and there ticket sales needed there mutant poster boy, which hurt to read, the kitty-wolverine annoyed me to no end........
also what the hell was the point of armor anyways she a pretty shitty character.
Originally posted by Original Smurph
I think he did a good job of keeping focus on exactly what and who he knew how to write, and keeping that that he was less sure about in the background.And, to be honest, it doesn't bother me too much that he ignored or downplayed character relationships, as the relationships that he chose to write were handled damn near perfectly, IMO. I'd rather have something that I enjoy reading over something that is of a lesser quality because it's strict about sticking to previous authors' works.
I understand the other point of view, but I don't endorse it.
true he did do a very good job with certain relationships. wolverine-kitty annoyed me a lot becuase of how poorly it was handle by simply being ignored for the most part.
I just wish marvel did not force him to put certain characters on the team he was no comfortable with. Which in hind sight was not really his fault at all. I also thought armor was a stupid character who more or less was used a a sort of crutch in my opinion.
also thought the art work was meh, and that villains who were so utterly dangerous one arc were no threat at all in the next. danger and orb for one were team wreckers in the first few apearences, but then more or less were nothing a single x-men could no deal with the next arcs. DBZ syndrum.
also did wheldon do the story about all the different realities. I still don't get that arc at all.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Yea but he wrote wolverine-kitty awful, and wolverine-colossus was not much better. actually wolverine anyone was written akward and wrong. In hind sight he probably should have left him off the team along with armor and replaced them with NC.But marvel and there ticket sales needed there mutant poster boy, which hurt to read, the kitty-wolverine annoyed me to no end........
also what the hell was the point of armor anyways she a pretty shitty character.
What was wrong with the Wolverine-Kitty thing? His grieving?
Originally posted by Battlehammeralso did wheldon do the story about all the different realities. I still don't get that arc at all.
That's Ellis.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
What was wrong with the Wolverine-Kitty thing? His grieving?
it was absurdly out of character. The last time he thought kitty died he tried and kill mr. fantastic..
Originally posted by Battlehammer
everything, they barely spoke to one another when she died he seemed to barly care and take it less hard then friggin emma did.it was absurdly out of character. The last time he thought kitty died he tried and kill mr. fantastic..
Did he express any grief in any of the anthologies like Karma, Kurt and Colossus? I think he might have just can't remember.
I think this time around, Kitty was a hero. She saved the everyone on Earth. So the beer scene kind of fitting, especially since it played such a big part in Whedons run. It was his way of trying to drink away his guilt.
The Emma Frost thing was understandable. Emma is the one who brought Kitty back to the X-Men. So it's her fault...add onto that, that Whedon broke her down and never put her back together again and you get that wreck at the end of AXM, in Dark Reign and Fractemma.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Did he express any grief in any of the anthologies like Karma, Kurt and Colossus? I think he might have just can't remember.I think this time around, Kitty was a hero. She saved the everyone on Earth. So the beer scene kind of fitting, especially since it played such a big part in Whedons run.
The Emma Frost thing was understandable. Emma is the one who brought Kitty back to the X-Men. So it's her fault...add onto that, that Whedon broke her down and never put her back together again and you get that wreck at the end of AXM, in Dark Reign and Fractemma.
emma grieving more then wolverine who thought of kitty as pretty much a daughtert is not understandable. It shitty characterization by wheldon. He did a good job of explaining emma griefing and characters he understands, but as smurf pointed out characters he less sure off he leaves in the back round which is what he did during a time when the character should have been front in center. Two people kitty is closest with out of every x-men is wolverine and colossus (she been closer to wolverine for longer). yet wolverine was ignored pretty much during her death and after effects. I actually thought uncanny x-men handle the event much better and it took place like 3 months after her death.
if that came out as agressive it did not mean to be.
also his interactions with pete after kitty death were bad as well, it one of his best friends who love of his life just died and who he has no seen in like years and he has like nothing to say to him? it like really now?
Originally posted by Battlehammer
If he did it was minimal. It does not make senses. He closer to her by far then karma or kurt. Hell in many ways he closer to her then colossus is. There realationship was very badly depicted by wheldon. She died a hero last time to (wolverien thought she died) and he almsot killed another hero. It makes zero senses that he would take it so easily. Hell every single time which has been at least twice were he thought kitty died he flipp his shit, hell he let him self almost be killed simply for the chance to save her life before. Wheldon handle his griefing of her death and over all interaction between the two extremely bad. If wolverine was written in character he would have flipp his shit for them leaving kitty behind there no way he be cool with it. I mean it was just bad.emma grieving more then wolverine who thought of kitty as pretty much a daughtert is not understandable. It shitty characterization by wheldon. He did a good job of explaining emma griefing and characters he understands, but as smurf pointed out characters he less sure off he leaves in the back round which is what he did during a time when the character should have been front in center. Two people kitty is closest with out of every x-men is wolverine and colossus (she been closer to wolverine for longer). yet wolverine was ignored pretty much during her death and after effects. I actually thought uncanny x-men handle the event much better and it took place like 3 months after her death.
if that came out as agressive it did not mean to be.
also his interactions with pete after kitty death were bad as well, it one of his best friends who love of his life just died and who he has no seen in like years and he has like nothing to say to him? it like really now?
I wouldn't say Emma grieved more then Wolverine. I'd say it was more down to her finally cracking. She was on the verge of breaking ever since the Bus attack. This was just the tipping point. Wolverine had his own way of grieving, Kitty died as an X-Men and as a grown up, she was no longer this little girl that he needed to protect, but at the end of the day he still thought of her as that. That is why he felt so guilty because it ended up being her at the end of the day.
It really wouldn't make sense for Wolverine to go berzerker at the end of the story IMHO. The thing with Armor just seemed like nice nod to every other sidekick he has ever had. I also think the way he did it made it more poignant.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
good, becuase that was utter crap that i still dont get what the point even was.
He still writes better Wolverine than Whedon. Although he screwed up with the "healing factor = pain reduction" part.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
everything, they barely spoke to one another when she died he seemed to barly care and take it less hard then friggin emma did.it was absurdly out of character. The last time he thought kitty died he tried and kill mr. fantastic..
They had a conversation in 1st ish IIRC. That's all.