Originally posted by khazra
Hmmm, i was sure he had but looking through the respect thread he hasnt...sorry my mistake.BUT he has killed surfer in a page and been totally unaffected by surfer's blasts.
And surfer >> a GL
Id say surfer is alot more durable. Whilst initially they may be on a similar level (still with an edge to surfer), over the last few years weve seen rings run out of energy increasingly quickly and shields deplete just as fast.
If surfer can be killed in a few panels, a GL can be killed in a little less and he can blast them all at once.
Originally posted by nicamarvin
OK... 😛
Originally posted by khazra
Id say surfer is alot more durable. Whilst initially they may be on a similar level (still with an edge to surfer), over the last few years weve seen rings run out of energy increasingly quickly and shields deplete just as fast.If surfer can be killed in a few panels, a GL can be killed in a little less and he can blast them all at once.
The last few years, sure, but PC feats still count. And Hal was very much as durable. Even beating Death.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Surfer can do a lot of things that Lanterns can't do (sophisticated matter manip among others) but as far as combat power and fighting effectiveness goes a Lantern like Sinestro, Kyle, Hal, or even Kilowog could give Surfer a serious fight and take a few wins. Hal or Sinestro could come close to splitting if not taking a slight majority (in Sinestro's case thanks to fighting dirty).
GL's have matter manipulation feats as well. Hell, Alan Scott has a big one, too.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
GL's have matter manipulation feats as well. Hell, Alan Scott has a big one, too.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
The last few years, sure, but PC feats still count. And Hal was very much as durable. Even beating Death.
In the SCW sinestro corps constructs were depleting GL rings energy (through attacking shields) very quickly. Surfer's durability is innate and wont suffer over time.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Surfer has displayed greater range in that field though. A PIS/CIS free Lantern with lots of experience and skill can do virtually anything Surfer can. The problem is that very few of those exist and most Lanterns are fodder.
Which feats do you speak of? Hal created his own universe inside the ring. He's controlled people's bodies and turned people into birds, he's devolved a plant god, changed the Shark, etc...
Originally posted by khazra
Silverage characters are from earth-1.
Current Hal is the hal of new earth, effectively totally different characters...the feats have no reason at all to overlap.In the SCW sinestro corps constructs were depleting GL rings energy (through attacking shields) very quickly. Surfer's durability is innate and wont suffer over time.
PC feats count as the Crisis dind't affect Hal. So they say.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The only thing that comes to mind as far as being retconned by the Crisis goes, is his relationship with Sinestro. Otherwise his stories and PC feats are still valid, iirc.
As i understood it, golden age characters reside on earth 2, silverage characters on earth 1 and the modern incarnations on new earth.
That makes them effectively different versions of the same characters and as such it's my opinion that PC feats are no more applicable than elseworld or what if? character feats.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The only thing that comes to mind as far as being retconned by the Crisis goes, is his relationship with Sinestro. Otherwise his stories and PC feats are still valid, iirc.
Originally posted by khazra
Has DC continuty changed again???As i understood it, golden age characters reside on earth 2, silverage characters on earth 1 and the modern incarnations on new earth.
That makes them effectively different versions of the same characters and as such it's my opinion that PC feats are no more applicable than elseworld or what if? character feats.