Thanos takes the GL Challenge

Originally posted by khazra
Has DC continuty changed again???

As i understood it, golden age characters reside on earth 2, silverage characters on earth 1 and the modern incarnations on new earth.

That makes them effectively different versions of the same characters and as such it's my opinion that PC feats are no more applicable than elseworld or what if? character feats.

It depends on the character, tbh. Certain characters were effected while others weren't. It wasn't a blanket wide effect, imo.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It depends on the character, tbh. Certain characters were effected while others weren't. It wasn't a blanket wide effect, imo.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
So is DC's official policy now "all PC stuff is in continuity except the goofy stuff that we're embarrassed to admit we ever published"?

It depends. Some of Hal's PC stories have been mentioned or alluded to in Post Crisis stories. Barry Allen also comes to mind. You really have to take it case by case, as any writer can choose to reference a PC story and work it into current canon.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
It really just seems like the Crisis effected Superman and his supporting cast the most.

Yeah, Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman (go figure) were affected by COIE to greater degrees than other characters. Their histories were then rebooted again during IC.

regardles of similarities, earth 1 and new earth are different and the characters are not the same characters.

They are according to geoff's stories.

Originally posted by khazra
regardles of similarities, earth 1 and new earth are different and the characters are not the same characters.

They are.

During IC, Alex Luthor explains how history is shifting, effecting the Trinity (as clearly DC would fall apart without them) in subtle ways. Earth-1 even is redubbed New Earth. They're still the same people with the same memories and feats unless otherwise stated or shown.

And Superman remembers all his Pre-Crisis history, but we don't count current Superman as being = PC Superman.

We shouldn't do it with Hal, either.

Originally posted by Enyalus
And Superman remembers all his Pre-Crisis history, but we don't count current Superman as being = PC Superman.

We shouldn't do it with Hal, either.

Does he? Superman's stories have drastically changed his background, origins, powers, his relationships with other characters, etc.

Plus, it's hard to say that the Crisis effected Hal's ring or power. He still does amazing things with the ring, while Superman still stays the same.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Does he? Superman's stories have drastically changed his background, origins, powers, his relationships with other characters, etc.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Plus, it's hard to say that the Crisis effected Hal's ring or power. He still does amazing things with the ring, while Superman still stays the same.

Originally posted by Enyalus
PC Hal's ring had an infinite charge. Current Hal, like all GLs, obviously don't have that, and also there's a limit to the ring's power (See John Stewart's "willpower overload" thing.)

Really? I thought it had to be recharged as well.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Really? I thought it had to be recharged as well.

I've always thought counting Pre Crisis feats for Post Crisis Hal Jordan was a bit asinine. Much less currently when under Johns all I've ever seen them do is create simple constructs and shoot things with energy beams outside of a few instances (That I can't remember right now but I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt.).

I think Kyle Rayner was blurring the line at his peak but it went down hill after that in my opinion.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I've always thought counting Pre Crisis feats for Post Crisis Hal Jordan was a bit asinine. Much less currently when under Johns all I've ever seen them do is create simple constructs and shoot things with energy beams outside of a few instances (That I can't remember right now but I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt.).

I think Kyle Rayner was blurring the line at his peak but it went down hill after that in my opinion.

A good portion of Hal's feats that I consider to be impressive was post crisis. He's done a bunch of versatile stuff and Kyle has too.

And as great as Hal and Kyle are, we can all agree on one thing.

They ain't got shit on Guy Gardner uhuh

Originally posted by Prep-Man
A good portion of Hal's feats that I consider to be impressive was post crisis. He's done a bunch of versatile stuff and Kyle has too.

From what I've seen Pre Crisis Hal would be rather solidly above Post Crisis Hal. Kyle has the best feats Post Crisis from what I've seen. Of course I like Kyle a lot better than Hal so I might be biased.

Under Johns right now I would not be surprised if it would take multiple top tier Green Lanterns to destroy a planet. The rings simply seem to be limited in power to a greater extent under him.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
From what I've seen Pre Crisis Hal would be rather solidly above Post Crisis Hal. Kyle has the best feats Post Crisis from what I've seen. Of course I like Kyle a lot better than Hal so I might be biased.

Under Johns right now I would not be surprised if it would take multiple top tier Green Lanterns to destroy a planet. The rings simply seem to be limited in power to a greater extent under him.

Pre is more powerful. I'm just saying Hal has done some impressive feats to date.

And Kyle > Hal. At least post crisis. I think a lot of Kyle's post crisis feats match up with Hal's, Pre-crisis. Kyle is amazing sometimes. Geoff has messed him up, though. 😠

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Pre is more powerful. I'm just saying Hal has done some impressive feats to date.

And Kyle > Hal. At least post crisis. I think a lot of Kyle's post crisis feats match up with Hal's, Pre-crisis. Kyle is amazing sometimes. Geoff has messed him up, though. 😠

I don't doubt he has some decent feats under his belt since his return.

Kyle seems to have the most impressive feats bar none Post Crisis in terms of Green Lantern's from what I've seen. It's most likely because he and Wally rose up the food chain at the same time becoming uber and truly establishing their power sets as Top Tier. I think they were at their peak around the Grant Morrison JLA era. Man I love that run.

Yea the bastard. Ruined Kyle and his pissing on Wally, albeit not as bad as I thought but still....

The ****ing retcons as well. It wasn't Hal who had a break down. It was the imaginary fear monster that no one knew about. Screw everything we think we know about the Speed Force, Barry generates it when he runs; it's his Speed Force.

I can't wait until Aquaman: Rebirth. It'll be revealed that all of Tempest's magical powers were secretly given to him by Aquaman. Just so it's fair.