Originally posted by dmills
Yep. He owned Gamora and current Drax. I almost forgot how good a h2h fighter Rich is.
Originally posted by dmills
Why do people keep saying Nova was embarrassed by SS? He wasn't.
Originally posted by Enyalus
IMO, none. But if you're also a high herald, you shouldn't be outclassed that badly (which Nova acknowledges prior to that, in Annihilation.)
But again, why shouldnt you be outclassed by someone like the surfer who could basically do anything?
Surfer was moving so fast in that fight that Nova thought he was being hit by a blast when it was actually Surfer punching him (and nova has Super Speed).
Honestly, I put Surfer above the high herald chart and I could see him embarrassing everyone on the high herald list (except Thor) like that because he possess the power to do so.
Look at his fight against Bill, he did the exact same thing and this was the same Bill that defeated a universal threat and walked through Star Dust like she was nothing.
Originally posted by EnyalusHe mixed it up with some blasts. So if you have to be technical... Also go back and re-read his fights with Gamora.
He didn't own either of them H2H. Drax he dropped with a blast.
Uh...huh. What would you call it, then? He was decisively inferior.I call it FIS. Anyone who read that fight without FIS should call a stalemate with a slight edge to Surfer in terms of wow factor. But he certainly didn't embarrass Nova.
Nova spent most of the fight going through his usual whinny little pleas not to fight as he always does, (a minor annoyance of mine with the character) then when he realized SS apparently wasn't going to listen he damn near knocked him off his board. Even when they clashed and went planetside Nova was still trying to reason with the surfer.
Not saying surfer couldn't stomp Nova, but that damn sure isn't the fight to try and make the case.
Originally posted by -K-M-
What universal threat? Asteroth? Tanaraq (He didn't actually fight him)?
Yes, Asteroth, which was noted more than once as being a universal threat.
I can also include the feat of him defending and aiding Galactus against attacks that not even Silver Surfer or Stardust together couldnt help a dying Galactus with.
Originally posted by carver9
Yes, Asteroth, which was noted more than once as being a universal threat.I can also include the feat of him defending and aiding Galactus against attacks that not even Silver Surfer or Stardust together couldnt help a dying Galactus with.
He didn't straight up beat her let alone on his own. Heck it was Alpha Ray after getting augmented by Galactus that put her back in the black hole not BRB. 😬
That's not his best.
edit: If your talking about Omega Ray, she lost most of her power and Bill literally died in defeating Ray.
Originally posted by -K-M-
He didn't straight up beat her let alone on his own. Heck it was Alpha Ray after getting augmented by Galactus that put her back in the black hole not BRB. 😬That's not his best.
edit: If your talking about Omega Ray, she lost most of her power and Bill literally died in defeating Ray.
Where is galactus at and show me where she was put in the black hole?
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Originally posted by carver9
Where is galactus at and show me where she was put in the black hole?http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/446/stormbreaker5204me.jpg
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Ummm...did you not read the series? This is Asteroth true form and at her most powerful.
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/asterothbrb.htm
This form was sent into the black hole with Galactus help and then she later came back as Omega Ray (and as noted was drastically weakened) and Bill literally died defeated the weaker Ray. haha once again context.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Ummm...did you not read the series? This is Asteroth true form and at her most powerful.
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/asterothbrb.htmThis form was sent into the black hole with Galactus help and then she later came back as Omega Ray (and as noted was drastically weakened) and Bill literally died defeated the weaker Ray. haha once again context.
I know about everything that you've mention but didnt Bill also have a good showing against that asteroth (flying her through a planet, etc.....).
Originally posted by carver9
I know about everything that you've mention but didnt Bill also have a good showing against that asteroth (flying her through a planet, etc.....).
No I seriously doubt you do, and no he got steamrolled and he had help from Stardust. So no where did he beat a universally threat. In the mini yes Bill destroyed a planet against Stardust, but not once did he come close to defeating a full power Asteroth as you claimed. In the fight with Omega Ray, Bill's body was destroyed and his soul was transported into the deceased body of Simon Walters (human)by an unknown person.
I remember in another thread you said he beat Tanaraq too...he didn't, that was just Sasquatch and Tanaraq caused him to see illusions making friends look like his enemies (and Bill didn't even beat Sasquatch either)
