Battle Of The Nigh Omnipotents

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Wanda power was awesome and I always placed her above LT and one of the most powerful ever in comics. When it comes who is above LT, Protege and Wanda always pops in my mind.
But I think she won't matter much to PreR Beyonder or THOTI. Those two are just standouts.

Xplosive Restricted
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
So order these guys from most powerful to least IYO

In my opinion:

THOTI
PreR Beyonder
PreR MM
Wanda
Sise Neg
Alien Entity
LT
Mxy
Michael
Lucifer
Spectre
Adam Warlock wtih IG
BCA Galactus

There isn't enough about The Fulcrum and I don't know enough about Mandrakk, but from what I know, he is maybe up there with LT.

Colossus-Big C Restricted

Originally posted by Xplosive
In my opinion:

THOTI
PreR Beyonder
PreR MM
Wanda
Sise Neg
Alien Entity
LT
Mxy
Michael
Lucifer
Spectre
Adam Warlock wtih IG
BCA Galactus

There isn't enough about The Fulcrum and I don't know enough about Mandrakk, but from what I know, he is maybe up there with LT.

Where would Pre-Retcon Odin fit into this (when marvel originaly had him as Omnipotent)

Xplosive Restricted
Originally posted by 753
Was it shown on panel that beyonder met or found the creators avatar? Did the avatar ever show up along with beyonder?

TOAA can just come now and create another PreR Beyonder and make PreR Beyonder say that current Marvel Omniverse is just a drop in the ocean and that would make PreR Beyonder so powerful only because TOAA easily empowered him to that degree.
Then if TOAA wants he can come and make another being in comics so powerful that that being could say that PreR Beyonder creation is just a drop to his and that would make current Marvel Omniverse nothing, while TOAA would be easily doing that.
That is why I always considered THOTI above PreR Beyonder or anyone. If THOTI is TOAA power within his pencil drawings, then I give THOTI above PreR Beyonder. Whenever TOAA wishes, he can just create another PreR Beyonder, while THOTI would remain his supreme power within his pencil drawings.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Where would Pre-Retcon Odin fit into this (when marvel originaly had him as Omnipotent)

In the last place, below BCA Galactus.

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Re: Battle Of The Nigh Omnipotents

In order IMO

Pre-Ret Beyonder
Thanos with the heart
Pre-Ret MM
Sise-Neg
LT/Alien Entity
Lucifer Morningstar/Micheal demiuurge
Mxy
Hom wanda
Mandrakk
Adam warlock with the infinity gems
BCA galactus with UN and CN
Fully backed spectre
Fulcrum, due to having no feats.

753 Senior Member

Originally posted by Xplosive
TOAA can just come now and create another PreR Beyonder and make PreR Beyonder say that current Marvel Omniverse is just a drop in the ocean and that would make PreR Beyonder so powerful only because TOAA easily empowered him to that degree.
Then if TOAA wants he can come and make another being in comics so powerful that that being could say that PreR Beyonder creation is just a drop to his and that would make current Marvel Omniverse nothing, while TOAA would be easily doing that.
That is why I always considered THOTI above PreR Beyonder or anyone. If THOTI is TOAA power within his pencil drawings, then I give THOTI above PreR Beyonder. Whenever TOAA wishes, he can just create another PreR Beyonder, while THOTI would remain his supreme power within his pencil drawings.

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my point exactly

KuRuPT Thanosi Senior Member

Team one wins because of Thanos, Mandrakk and Mxy

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by 753

Speculation it may be,
but there is not enough reason to assume he thought they could win either,
he should know better.
LT just found it completely unacceptable to tolerate thanos,
that's the only thing on panel.


That's not the only thing on panel, first, LT doesn't operate that way,
the other fact is that LT went at Thanos, meaning he thought he had a chance.

LT is very assertive in his tone, he says he's taking THOTI by force.

So, again, I think there's more proof that says LT thought he could win.

Originally posted by 753

Was it shown on panel that beyonder met or found the creators avatar?


No, it was Shooter who made it clear what Beyonder was to him:

Jim Shooter - creator/writer of Secret Wars/Beyonder
(while he was Editor in chief of Marvel)

"We introduced the Beyonder
and established
that he was studying these beings - us - he had discovered"

This is right in line with the same thing Shooter repeated across every title in series I:

(on panel writer's narration)

Originally posted by 753

Did the avatar ever show up along with beyonder?


No, but again I was mentioning "avatars" in general showing up before Beyonder appeared.

That's Byrne and Gruenwald. (Gruenwald came up with the concept of the Omniverse)

Originally posted by 753

What about the death thing?


Mistress Death's 2006 Handbook bio credits Post-Retcon Beyonder with erasing her from existence:
(I can get you the scan if you wish)

(from Eternity's 2006 Handbook bio)

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Xplosive

TOAA can just come now and create another PreR Beyonder and make PreR Beyonder say that current Marvel Omniverse is just a drop in the ocean and that would make PreR Beyonder so powerful only because TOAA easily empowered him to that degree.
Then if TOAA wants he can come and make another being in comics so powerful that that being could say that PreR Beyonder creation is just a drop to his and that would make current Marvel Omniverse nothing, while TOAA would be easily doing that.

That is why I always considered THOTI above PreR Beyonder or anyone. If THOTI is TOAA power within his pencil drawings, then I give THOTI above PreR Beyonder. Whenever TOAA wishes, he can just create another PreR Beyonder, while THOTI would remain his supreme power within his pencil drawings.


Thanos was not TOAA that draws on a board in heaven. (as depicted via FF#511)

Thanos was TOAA withIN the Marvel Omniverse.

He didn't use a pencil and eraser and he didn't control the behavior of the rest.

The true "OAA" is the one drawing/making Thanos acquiring their power withIN the in-comic universe.

So Thanos doesn't have "pencil drawing" powers. 🙁

He has to duke it out like all others.

Astner The Ghost Who Walks

Those who think that Spectre is equal to the Living Tribunal, based of Marvel vs DC, are indirectly saying that Mr. Mxyzptlk is equal to Impossible man.

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Spectre can't be qual to the LT. It's impossible.

Colossus-Big C Restricted

Originally posted by galactusischere
Spectre can't be qual to the LT. It's impossible.

Spectre+the word+the source+the hand etc would equal the Living Tribunal

AsbestosFlaygon The Original One

@ Mr. Master

Where would you place Edifice Rex in the Marvel Cosmic hierarchy?

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Was that crappy story even canon?

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
@ Mr. Master

Where would you place Edifice Rex in the Marvel Cosmic hierarchy?


Originally posted by galactusischere

Was that crappy story even canon?


Edifice R arc is canon,
it took place in 616, and is referenced in official Marvel Handbooks.

Edifice Rex has/had god-like power, but is/was a total idiot.

He's definitely one of the most powerful beings in Marvel.
(up there with the likes of the "Gods" ... ie. IG/Sise-Neg etc.

Where the heck he is now is a mystery, it's like he just faded away.

Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

Originally posted by galactusischere
Spectre can't be qual to the LT. It's impossible.

Just because we've never seen him (unambiguously) at that level doesn't mean its impossible. Also Spectre isn't (despite the insistence of most writers since his creation) the most powerful servant of the Presence or the DCU's greatest defense like the Living Tribunal is for Marvel, those roles fall to Michael and (don't hate me for saying this but its true and FC reinforced it) Superman (or at least his story) respectively. Now could the Presence make Spectre as powerful as LT? Yes, in fact I believe a 'Full Power' Spectre would be roughly equivalent to the LT but the Presence has never needed that much power in a servant except when he needed Michael to crush Lucifer's rebellion.

the ninjak FRINGE Division

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Team 1

Also what exactly makes HOM wanda so strong?

Wasn't she born with some connection to Chthon?
I remember reading it somewhere.....probably the sole reason her inherent powers went overload in the first place. The Avenger's version of Jean Grey Phoenix.

I'm going Team 2 due to Pre Retcon Beyonder. Should overwhelm LT. Enough to defeat the rest.