Bowser vs Cloud

Mario is nothing but toonforce, all oh his so called feats can be attributed to a joke or funny visual. Seeing as how the "planets" and "stars" in SMG are all about 30 feet across, there's nothing impressive or non toon force about that game either. I swear, Nintendo fans are the least inteliigent of all fanboys.

The Marioverse is probably one of the strongest universes in gaming, between the Chaos Heart, Star Rod, ect, and Bowser having the technical ability to literally create galaxies.

Screaming toonforce at the game just because it's not as supar srs as other games is a definite cop out.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Mario is nothing but toonforce, all oh his so called feats can be attributed to a joke or funny visual. Seeing as how the "planets" and "stars" in SMG are all about 30 feet across, there's nothing impressive or non toon force about that game either. I swear, Nintendo fans are the least inteliigent of all fanboys.

Crymoar.

But where is the logic? If Mario can lift a castle and throw it away, why doesn't he pick up Bowser and throw him out the planet making him to crash on the Sun?

But where is the logic? If Mario can lift a castle and throw it away, why doesn't he pick up Bowser and throw him out the planet making him to crash on the Sun?

SMG? What's that? I'm talking why doesn't Mario pick Bowser in that lava area.

Same reason he doesn't jump up mountains with ridiculous ease, it isn't the way the game was designed.

That's gameplay of a single game. Also, they were in a world inside the walls of the castle that probably had no space or planets. Super Mario Galaxy (SMG) has some cutscenes you should see. Just a sec.
YouTube video

1:30+ Bowser survives. 😐

The thing is, that we can't debate rationally with characters which Universes are totally ridiculously exaggerated and that has Toon elements, because nothing of that can't be compared to reality. I don't know if you get my point, Final Fantasy (despite that is fantasy) is more realistic. It's like debating Tom (from Tom and Jerry) Vs. Batman. Tom can take ridiculously more hits than Batman without breaking a sweat.

Well, that's my standpoint.

Being light hearted doesn't make the Marioverse any less powerful, just more amusing overall.

Bowser is far more powerful than Cloud, and really, Cloud's probably going to burn to death without Bowser doing anything.

Bowser strength feats = a very hurt cloud

Arr, the demon seed o' Davy Jones be spreadin' faster, arr.

Considering every single thing in the series to be toonforce is quite ridiculous, though I'll agree that the franchise has had some of it here and there, like Mario's so-called castle feat in SMW, but that has nothing to do with Bowser anyway.

Some don't want to accept the fact that Bowser's jumps in SM64 are strong enough to alter the positions of the platforms he's on, so they just dismiss it as toonforce. lol

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Mario is nothing but toonforce, all oh his so called feats can be attributed to a joke or funny visual. Seeing as how the "planets" and "stars" in SMG are all about 30 feet across, there's nothing impressive or non toon force about that game either. I swear, Nintendo fans are the least inteliigent of all fanboys.

Ditto. It's the same as Arale split a planet in half with one finger.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Being light hearted doesn't make the Marioverse any less powerful, just more amusing overall.

Bowser is far more powerful than Cloud, and really, Cloud's probably going to burn to death without Bowser doing anything.

You didn't get my point, right?

No, I did, but it was a flawed comparison. Tom is specificly a cartoon cat.

Mario and Bowser are actually very powerful. 😐 Just because the series doesn't take itself as seriously as some others doesn't make the feats less valid.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No, I did, but it was a flawed comparison. Tom is specificly a cartoon cat.

No, it isn't. Tom Vs. Batman is the same as Mario Vs. Cloud.
Mario is specifically a cartoon Video-game character, Cloud is not.

The thread is Bowser, but no, the comparison is flawed. Mario is a videogame character just like Cloud.

Cause you know, Cloud passing off as an attractive female wasn't toonforce? Owait, yes it was. 😐 Just in a different use.

Bowser has better feats than Cloud does. Even without the lava, he wins, unfortuantely for Cloud though, he's burning to death from the start.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The thread is Bowser, but no, the comparison is flawed. Mario is a videogame character just like Cloud.

Bowser or Mario is the same, I'm using Mario as an example.
No it isn't. Mario is a cartoon Video-Game character, Cloud is not a cartoon at all.

So your argument is, because the graphics for Mario aren't super realistic, the fact that Bowser's feats are all far better than Cloud's doesn't matter?

No.

That is not how it works. It's a cop-out. Especially since Cloud used toonforce in his disguise section.

What makes Mario a toon videogame character? The fact that he's suddenly and mysteriously teleported to a world chock full of 5' tall walking fanged mushrooms and turtles and massive man-eating plants that are all out to get him via a pipe from New York?