Bowser vs Cloud

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So your argument is, because the graphics for Mario aren't super realistic, the fact that Bowser's feats are all far better than Cloud's doesn't matter?

No.

That is not how it works. It's a cop-out. Especially since Cloud used toonforce in his disguise section.

Umm... No one has talked about graphics. I don't really care if Mario or Bowser are stronger than Cloud. I care about what circumstances makes them stronger than anyone. You would say that logic plays in a cartoon or caricature? No, you wouldn't, exactly. Cloud isn't a cartoon, so I don't know what you mean by that.

K, if not graphics, what makes Mario a toon? Nothing does, that's what. His feats are just as valid as anyone else's. Bowser's too.

Also, Cloud used toonforce while disguised as a woman in FF7.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
K, if not graphics, what makes Mario a toon? Nothing does, that's what. His feats are just as valid as anyone else's. Bowser's too.

Also, Cloud used toonforce while disguised as a woman in FF7.

You got it wrong. I'm not saying that Mario's feats aren't valid. I'm saying that you can't argue a toon against someone who isn't in the same aspect.

Cloud doing that isn't even near as what Mario and all of those kind of characters does, without mentioning of what Cloud does is symbolic, I don't really think he can do that. You say it, Mario can lift a castle, but he had problems lifting Bowser in that battle, logic don't play there. That's all. Logic doesn't play in cartoon-like Universes.

I'm even admitting that Mario can beat Cloud.

mmm Then I don't know what we're debating.

how do you decipher what counts as a game play mechanic (like dying by running into a koopa) and what counts as an actual feat (like mario apparently having the strength to lift a castle)?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
mmm Then I don't know what we're debating.

I'm saying that these kind of characters can't be argued against others that aren't cartoons, because they have the advantage of logic, logic doesn't play in cartoon Universes. That's all.

If you want to continue debating Cloud Vs. Bowser, you're free to do it, though knowing that they would win doesn't make sense. I know Tom would beat Batman, so I won't make a topic to ridicule Batman.

The castle lifting is one of the most widely debated things about Mario, a lot of people call it toonforce, but meh. It happened in a cutscene, though.

But yeah, 2d era side scrolling hazards are an obvious case. Sonic dies instantly to some pointy metal, but can smash robots with his face.. ?

Mario's pretty reliably awesome.

Edit: Actually, Batman would probably kick Tom's ass. Tom regularly loses to Jerry. Jerry might win, though. mmm

Tom can take more hits than Jerry and Batman together, Jerry might be smarter, that's all.

Actually, in Arkham Asylum: A serious house in a serious world, Batman gets impaled by Croc, and just keeps on kicking ass. He can survive things no normal human should.

Also, Tom gets knocked out from relatively little head trauma.

Tom gets shot hundred of times, Tom can't die unless they decide he can. By Batman logic, Batman get shot by a Machine-gun and he dies, unless he is Superman.

You only need to incapacitate someone to win, and shooting Tom once does that.

Edit: Also, Batman dodges bullets.

wait...why are we even discussing Tom and Batman.....I thought Griever already conceded the point that Bowser would win

Tom eats a bomb and he isn't incapacited, I told you, don't use logic in cartoons.

Oi. Drop Tom and Batman, guys, you know that's not the point here.

The point is Bowser would utterly beat Cloud.

Cloud rapes through speedblitz, superior strength and higher durability. Bowser gets hurt by bombs and Cloud tanks massive magic enhanced explosions.

Cloud rapes through speedblitz, superior strength and higher durability. Bowser gets hurt by bombs and Cloud tanks massive magic enhanced explosions.

Sooner or later Cloud will win.

How, exactly?

YouTube video

Nice knowing you, Cloud.

Bowser goes giga on Clouds ass.